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  Almost got caught lying about listening in to yesterday's Memorial

  by RULES & REGULATIONS in

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  i have not attended any kingdom hall meetings in 10 years.

  the elders gave up on me a while ago.. the last 3 years i get phone calls to listen in to zoom meetings.

  listened in several times... nothing has changed!

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  dozy

  It seems a bit strange that the Org puts so much emphasis on passing the emblems even to the rather theatrical method of serving the servers , yet they are comfortable with people dialling in via Zoom for the memorial.
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

  by Newly Enlightened in

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  original reddit post (removed).

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  dozy

  Am I missing something? if he has 500 patrons paying (on average , lets say) £10 - £20 a month plus a bit of income from Youtube ads and occasional live streams - how is that so bad? As a side hustle - in addition to a job - it seems a pretty good income to me - even if you have to pay Tibor to edit the videos (which is hardly rocket science these days).
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  Cost of living crisis

  by ExBethelitenowPIMA in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  during the height of the pandemic all elders had to report to the co anyone who was struggling with bills or who couldn’t pay the rent.

  the co reported it to the branch.. i don’t know what happens next.

  do the branch help at all?

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  dozy

  I remember when I was an elder quite regularly in elders meetings we would have a discussion about a needy JW in the congregation who was saying they couldn't afford to go to the convention or pay their electric bill or whatever. The problem was that we weren't allowed to use congregation funds for this kind of purpose ( this was before the Society appropriated them all ) and because an announcement was made every month about how funds were spent it would have had to include such an announcement.

  What tended to happen is that one of the elders would say that they would give (say) $100 to the sister and deduct $20 a month from their donations for the next 5 months so in essence the congregation would be paying. I actually did this myself a couple of times. It was the only way we could work things around.
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  Do the old boys on the GB actually report their field service hours?

  by eyeslice in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  this came to mind as my 71 year old wife got up at 6:30 to drive 1.1/4 hours to meet the field ministry group.

  we live a long way from the kingdom hall and the traffic is horrendous where we live!.

  somehow, i doubt the good old boys do much themselves.

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  dozy

  Ray Franz said that the GB members did very little ministry (ISOCF P200).

  Just my limited experience - there was a vacation home in my territory that the owner would only rent out to "higher-ups" in the Org as a freebie. Basically the more senior you were - the more chance you would have to stay there. So there were prominent JWs from all over the world - Construction Overseers , Regional Overseers , Branch committee members , Bethel Heavies- a Who's Who of JW top brass. I was a keyholder and myself and my wife would often clean it so we often would meet the occupants , who usually stayed for a week. Somewhat optimistically , the meeting times and field service times and locations were pinned up on a notice board inside. Occasionally they would turn up for a meeting (KH was only 10 minutes drive away. ) NEVER did anyone ever go to a scheduled field ministry arrangement. NEVER.

  Regularly on meeting up I would ask them if they wanted to go out for an hour doing a few RVs close by and often my wife would ask the sister if she wanted to go on calls or a bible study. I supposed I had an assumption that as "spiritual people" they might want to do an hour on the ministry locally during the week. Virtually every single time the offers were kindly refused - I can honestly only think of a couple of occasions ( over 10 years ) that someone went on a study with my wife ( and the property was occupied almost every week of the year).

  I actually mentioned this to the elders who visited me after I faded and one of them was honest enough to admit that it was something that really stumbled him as well.

  I know these people were on vacation and the Society gave them very little time off but it does show the attitude towards field ministry by the higher ups in the Society that I would assume is mirrored by the GB.
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  question for those who had been elders on judicial committee

  by enoughisenough in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i was wondering if some who may have been in the judgement seat ( so to speak ) had a wake-up call while judging someone who was defending leaving jw.

  ( or maybe it was from reading a letter of disassociation.

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  dozy

  Same as Blues Brother - nothing I saw in JCs raised any flags whatsoever.

  The JCs I was involved in were the usual run of the mill - adultery cases, courting couples having pre-marital sex , smokers ( cigarettes , pot ) , boozers etc. Often repeat cases and most involving marginal JWs that basically believed but couldn't live up to the rules. Generally just private / public reproof - I think only two or three got DFd and they were pretty much open and shut cases. Apostasy cases were rather rare back then pre-internet - I never dealt with one.
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  Watchtower November 2022... Adapt to new adjustments and new changes

  by RULES & REGULATIONS in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  the watchtower—study edition | november 2022. study article 48. keep your senses when your loyalty is tested.

  14 vlado, a 73-year-old elder in slovenia, struggled when his congregation merged with another congregation and the kingdom hall that he attended was closed.

  he says: “i did not understand why such a beautiful kingdom hall would be closed.

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  dozy

  The trend has got to be a further reduction in Kingdom Halls - if even 25% of JWs are accessing via Zoom (anecdotally , much more than this in some congregations) , inevitably many more KHs are going to be sold. And as much of the easier mergers / sell offs have already occurred , some of these sell-offs are really going to bite - JWs won't like the idea of driving 40 minutes or more to their new congregation.
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  Unmarried couple staying at my house

  by suavojr in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i need your help with this topic.

  i’m trying to find an elder’s letter or wt article that frown upon a good standing jw allowing an unmarried couple to stay over their house for the night.. my wife claims this is a conscience matter and i say that’s bs, this leadership does not allow it.

  would like to find this info..

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  dozy

  This situation is pretty common. Policing it is a challenge - depends on the elders and the nosiness / gossip of the congregation and the person concerned and their standing in the congregation. An elder in my own congregation often had his (non-JW) daughter stay with her long term boyfriend in their house but he basically told anyone who enquired to mind their own business as far as the sleeping arrangements were concerned.
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  JW "new light" immediately reversed/contradicted

  by BoogerMan in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  september 2022 study watchtower - par.

  14 p. 18 - "after all, no one will be allowed to practice vile things in the new world.

  the unrighteous must have practiced these vile things before their death.

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  dozy

  I'm assuming (though it is a bit ambiguous) that really bad things (eg murder) will not be permitted in the new order , but general naughtiness / "worldliness" (eg beard growing) will be permitted , at least till the person either dies due to being judged unworthy or gets finally snuffed out at the "Final Test". . But a lot of the Societies ramblings about the "New Order" remind me of the debates about how many angels can dance on the end of a pin and it really underlines that this doctrine has literally been plucked from a couple of random scriptures and spun together.

  For a leadership that talks about how we "needn't speculate" on what will happen in the New Order , they sure do like to speculate a lot.
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  Kneel before me, for I am an ... Activist!

  by Simon in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i thought it was just me that had a negative view of people who proclaim themselves to be activists.. but no, it seems i'm not alone!.

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  dozy

  I sometimes wonder if those that brand themselves "activists" are , consciously or sub-consciously , looking down on those who share their beliefs but aren't as vocal or "active" as the "activist" is. A bit like the self righteous pioneer / elderette etc types in the congregation who always seemed a bit dismissive and sometimes openly critical of those who didn't do as much ministry as they did.
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  2022-07-01--Additional Contribution Box!

  by Atlantis in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the watchtower wants more money!.

  https://we.tl/t-jyt0susog5.

  atlantis!.

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  dozy

  The Society simply didn't need to build all these new premises. It is simply morphing into a real estate building and flipping organisation to generate funds.

  With some irony , part of the UK Bethel sold a couple of years ago has been repurposed as (you guessed it) a major film studio. Clearly something the Society could easily , and at a much cheaper cost , have done themselves , had they genuinely required extra filming capacity - but for obvious reasons they simply chose to sell up and new build elsewhere.

  https://www.cityam.com/converted-london-jehovahs-witnesses-hq-to-start-new-life-as-film-studio/

  https://londonnorthstudios.com/