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  Rick Fearons wife Inez passed away

  by mouthy in

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  did anyone hear that rick fearons wife inez passed away???

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  Doubting Bro

  Rick, so sorry to hear of your loss. My condolensces go out to you during what must be a gut wretching time.
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  24 baptized at Tucson, AZ today - attendance 5,670

  by Gayle in

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  a friend, non-jw, went to convention today.

  she observed about 1/3 baptized were youth.. ***********************************************.

  i read article:.

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  Doubting Bro

  Just came back from one on the East Coast. Attendance numbers (roughly):

  Friday - 5,200

  Sat - 5,300

  Sun - 6,111

  37 baptized. If you use the Sat stats, then it's .69%. Using Sun, then it's .6%.
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  Interesting conversation re: sexual abuse issue

  by Doubting Bro in

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  2. child-abuse

  i may be outing myself so i'm changing some minor detail but i wanted to relate a recent conversation over the sexual abuse issue.

  i was at a party, er, gathering this weekend and there were several folks that i haven't talked to in awhile there.

  so, i sat down at a table with several other guys and the conversation went like this:.

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  Doubting Bro

  That's really what I think as well. Seeing him again this weekend and will explore further.
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  Interesting conversation re: sexual abuse issue

  by Doubting Bro in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  i may be outing myself so i'm changing some minor detail but i wanted to relate a recent conversation over the sexual abuse issue.

  i was at a party, er, gathering this weekend and there were several folks that i haven't talked to in awhile there.

  so, i sat down at a table with several other guys and the conversation went like this:.

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  Doubting Bro

  Kinda reads like a drama from the convention. A little too perfect for my radar for what its worth.

  So you think I'm being set up? This person isn't in my KH, isn't an elder or servant, has no connections and the other guys sitting at the table were no threat either. This guy has young kids and is really worried.
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  Interesting conversation re: sexual abuse issue

  by Doubting Bro in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  i may be outing myself so i'm changing some minor detail but i wanted to relate a recent conversation over the sexual abuse issue.

  i was at a party, er, gathering this weekend and there were several folks that i haven't talked to in awhile there.

  so, i sat down at a table with several other guys and the conversation went like this:.

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  Doubting Bro

  I agree but what can you do? I will say that many born-ins like myself tend to NOT trust anyone. I agree that the elders should be disclosing that information and think the WTS policy is horribly wrong and protects the perp rather than the victim. They should do something to make it a little safer. I agree they don't always report and the WTS is to blame.

  Me, I can count on one hand the number of people that I trust with my kids. I worry about them at school, at the kids care center at my gym, anywhere that I can't see them. I treat the folks at the KH the same way as "wordly" folks. Especially guys, although I know women can attack kids as well.

  You can say that schools, daycare centers etc run background checks and get rid of people that do attack kids but what if your kid is the first one attacked? what if the first kid doesn't tell anyone (common problem)?

  Maybe I'm just paranoid but I think this is a much bigger problem than a fringe cult. Short of finding a genetic marker that shows people who are prone to this behavor and executing them, I'm not sure that we can eliminate the problem.

  Bottom line, trust no one.
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  Interesting conversation re: sexual abuse issue

  by Doubting Bro in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  i may be outing myself so i'm changing some minor detail but i wanted to relate a recent conversation over the sexual abuse issue.

  i was at a party, er, gathering this weekend and there were several folks that i haven't talked to in awhile there.

  so, i sat down at a table with several other guys and the conversation went like this:.

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  Doubting Bro

  No, sorry the pay phone (do they even exist anymore) is what the elders were instructed to use when fulfilling their mandatory reporting requirement in states where they are required to report. According to what I've been told (never dealt with it personally), that's the advice given by legal.

  I would guess that the elders would likely call the WTS legal deparment from their house since that's when I would call the service desk during the time I was a secretary.
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  Interesting conversation re: sexual abuse issue

  by Doubting Bro in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  i may be outing myself so i'm changing some minor detail but i wanted to relate a recent conversation over the sexual abuse issue.

  i was at a party, er, gathering this weekend and there were several folks that i haven't talked to in awhile there.

  so, i sat down at a table with several other guys and the conversation went like this:.

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  Doubting Bro

  I may be outing myself so I'm changing some minor detail but I wanted to relate a recent conversation over the sexual abuse issue. I was at a party, er, gathering this weekend and there were several folks that I haven't talked to in awhile there. So, I sat down at a table with several other guys and the conversation went like this:

  Bro 1 - hey, DB, how long have you been an elder?

  Me - I quit a few years ago, just decided that it wasn't something I wanted to do anymore.

  Bro 1 - laughing, I hear you man. Fair enough, but there's something that's bothering me that I was hoping to get your input on.

  Me - Sure, that's what friends do right? what's up?

  Bro 1 - Do you remember XXX? He was DF'ed a few years ago. I was shocked and so I stopped by his job and chatted with him right after. He said that there were some things from his past that he had to take care of but it's over now. So, I said, ah, it must have been some sort of normal thing like maybe sex (he was single). But, then I found out that this dude is in a max security prision for molesting a young child.

  Me - Really? Wow, I remember XXX as a kid but didn't know him as an adult. Wow, that's just crazy!

  Bro 1 - Yeah, I even went on vacation with him. It's scary because I would have trusted him with my kids. While that really bothers me, I found out that the elders knew about this guy and didn't do anything. So I talked to YYYY (a local elder that we both know, he's about the same age as me) and he said that when someone confesses to child abuse, they don't tell the congregation. Is that your understanding?

  Me - Yes, that's exactly how it works. I never dealt with this sort of thing but you're instructed to call the legal department and do what they say. We're in a reporting state, so you have to go to a pay phone and report the minimial info without giving you're name from what I understand from someone that had to do that.

  Bro 1 - Do you think that's right? How do you NOT beat the crap out of the person?

  Me - Oh, I think its really wrong and I agree with you. Hey, the 2 other guys in the room probably would say the guy slipped right? (laughing). I tell you what, I would rather be removed or even disfellowshipped before I would not warn parents about a molester.

  Bro 1- Yeah, I think that's a normal response, especially for a dad. But, are you saying that the society tells elders to not warn people. That's crazy. I just don't want to believe YYYY when he says that's the case.

  Me - It's 100% true. It's something I never agreed with. BTW - I run the megan's law registery every six months, you should too.

  Bro 1 - I do, blah blah about someone that lives several doors down that he's actually threatened!

  More exchanges but you get the drift. There were others sitting at the table that did not say a word. I didn't bring up the verdict because I thought that I may out myself a bit more with all these folks sitting there. But, Bro 1 clearly knew about it because when I mentioned Sandusky, he quickly went back to the JW that is in jail.

  This guy has a few young kids, is a great guy and is really worried about his kids. I think that the combination of the verdict along with his actual knowledge of someone that he GREW UP WITH, is causing him to be really concerned.

  I'm going to follow up with him later. But, I see a light bulb going off.

  So while some people are defending the org, there are loyal JWs that this is really causing pause.
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  CHANNEL C FORUM DISCUSSES ANNULLING DISFELLOSHIPPINGS AND REINSTATING PRIVILEGES BY GETTING AROUND WTS ELDER'S BOOK POLICIES

  by oppostate in

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  2. friends

  donny's heart-breaking posthttp://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/227658/1/just-venting-i-hate-the-societyabout his jw-elder son feeling he must abide by wt's latest crackdown on shunning df'ed family members reminded me about the following post at channel c forum that i "view" from time to time: .

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  http://www.channelc.org/chcforum/forum/index.php?action=display&forumid=1&msgid=10083.

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  Doubting Bro

  I doubt this would work. The original DF'ing committee is the one to reinstate. So, if the person is going to the same hall (or one close enough where the elders know each other), they would clearly realize that its a fraud.

  I don't think the WTS believes in annulment.
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  Blondie's Comments You Will Not Hear at the 06-24-2012 WT Study (DELIVER)

  by blondie in

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  jehovah knows.

  jehovah knows how to.

  that jehovah:.

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  Doubting Bro

  The cultness was on full display yesterday at my congregation. It was really strange to sit there and listen to comments about obeying blindly and being willing to sacrifice everything on a moments notice. I never thought the WTS would put together a series of compounds but after today's comments from the locals, it seemed that if they did, a good percentage would flock to them.

  It's the first time in a long time that I've seen this congregation get super culty. Normally, they're pretty pragmatic (as far as JWs go).

  BTW - Thanks for your comments Blondie. I read every week although don't comment much.
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  Everyone should read this article by Philly Enquirer - Candace Conti has changed what will happen in the future for ALL!

  by dreamgolfer in

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  2. friends

  great article for all to read- bravo candace, you have made a huge difference!.

  link below -.

  http://www.philly.com/philly/columnists/ronnie_polaneczky/20120621_deadlocked_or_not__the_priest_sex_abuse_jury_did_its_job.html.

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  Doubting Bro

  I read this article the other day and 100% agree. People are sick of institutions that are supposed to be looking out for people's interest allowing children to be victimized.