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  So If You Could Be.....

  by Legolas in

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  so if you could be on a tv show what show would it be?

  one of the shows i would to be on is 'lost' and another is 'battlestar galactica'.

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  I have at times seriously considered dropping out of school to become a porn star.... I know the pay sucks, but I hear the benfits are great!
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  I have this really crazy idea, please help ( nope not fluff)

  by lola28 in

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  for a really long time i have believed that there is no such thing as god.

  last night i had a talk with someone and this one idea came to me, what if there is a god, but he is not perfect, and where did this idea of god=perfect come from?

  is there any scipture that says god is perfect?

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  AuldSoul,
  
  This is going to be a long post, but I will try and address the issues you brought up as they are excellent questions to ask. First I’d like to say that you obviously seem genuinely interested in science and how things work and that is a passion we both share. I cannot disprove that God exists, I merely point out that there is also no way to prove that he does exist.
  
  

  Which, except for the fact that lots more people agree with these invented terms, is ultimately a no more "real" explanation of things than the story of the Great Mantis Father vomiting out everything that exists. If you invent the nature of the world as you go by coming up with new terms and definitions to describe what you see and feel and test for, you will obviously arrive at a universe which you believe to be absent anything you cannot see, feel, and test for.

  The point you raise is philosophically interesting but not valid scientifically. There are many processes and forces in science which cannot be seen and some cannot even be measured, but we know they exist from the way other things we can measure react. The idea that the only reality that exists in our head is a silly argument, while not unprovable it serves no purpose to consider such arguments. It may be true that I cannot disprove certain ideas, but that does not give the ideas any credence. For example I can say that Jesus was a closet homosexual, of course I have no proof, but you cannot disprove it either. One would not argue that the theory of the ‘Great Mantis Father’ be taught in schools because it serves no purpose. The point you miss with science is that it does serve a purpose, just look at all the technological advances that have come about do to scientific understanding. No such advances have occurred from religion, except in the form of art and literature (which are not unimportant by any means).
  
  

  In physics, is a "force" physical or spiritual, and where do forces come from?

  Forces are mathematical constructs to describe real world physical phenomena, for example, gravity is clearly observable, yet it cannot be seen or touched. It can be described mathematically and to a degree explained philosophically (thanks to Einstein) but it is not spiritual. Gravity results from mass warping space-time which causes objects less massive to fall towards it (according to Einstein). While not a physical force and merely a mathematical model, it none the less arises from real physical and observable matter.
  
  

  But science will not accept the posibility that just as a dog has limitations in its perceptions that prevent it from grasping the world it lives in fully, we might have the same sort of limitations. So science can never prove the existence of more reality that exists outside our perceptions.

  I would disagree with this statement, much of what science has discovered goes way beyond our ability as humans to comprehend, just look at quantum mechanics. Scientist by there very nature keep an open mind about these subjects. It’s a silly argument to say that scientist are limited by their inability to measure what cannot be measured, because if it cannot be measured either directly or indirectly it has no bearing on how perceivable physical reality works. That is the original argument I made about God in the first place, that if he does exist, his existence isn’t provable.
  
  

  I would love to consider the sources that you have read suggesting bacteria can arise from amino acids. As far as knew the furthest they've gotten is creating circumstances under which the basis of single proteins form, which are only the building blocks of bacteria. I wasn't aware there was a theory (perhaps hypotheses, but not a theory) that explained how these strands became a bacteria or any other form of life. I'm willing to learn, though. Please share the current theory that describes a single cell's formation, then describe how it becomes animated after formation (or during the process of formation), then describe the development, under current theory, of cellular division.

  I assume your not asking this question as a means to discredit science by pointing out various unanswered questions or trying to argue specifics but that you have a sincere desire to know about this field, so I will explain the best I can in simple terms. Currently our best theories about the evolution of bacteria (or prokaryota in more general terms) have to do with self replicating RNA. For most of the 20th century it was firmly believed that only proteins can act as reaction catalysts (enzymes) in biological systems, but then in 1981 Sidney Altman, and in 1982 Thomas Cech, discovered two different RNA enzymes (ribozymes), which are not proteins. Altman and Cech shared the Nobel Prize for Chemistry in 1989 for their discoveries.
  
  Ribozymes (not to be confused with riboSOMES) are catalytic RNA molecules that can promote specific biochemical reactions without the need for ancillary proteins. The RNA-catalyzed reactions can either be intramolecular (autocatalytic), e.g., self-splicing or self-cleaving, or intermolecular, using other RNA molecules as substrates and involving multiple turnovers of the ribozyme. This last case is an example of a true enzymatic reaction, since the catalyst (the ribozyme) is recovered unchanged after each reaction and can thus catalyze many reactions.
  
  The following points are made by E.A. Schultes and D.P. Bartel (Science 2000 289:448):
  
  1) The authors report a single RNA nucleotide sequence that can assume either one of two ribozyme folds and catalyze two respective reactions (a ligation reaction and a cleavage reaction). The authors make the following points:
  
  2) The authors report the two ribozyme folds share no apparent evolutionary history and are completely different, with no base pairs (and probably no hydrogen bonds) in common. Minor variants of this sequence are highly active for one or the other reaction, and can be accessed from prototype ribozymes through a series of neutral mutations. The implication, the authors suggest, is that in the course of evolution, new RNA folds could arise from preexisting folds without the need to carry inactive intermediate sequences. The authors suggest this raises the possibility that biological RNAs having no structural or functional similarity might share a common ancestry, and that, furthermore, functional and structural evolutionary divergence might in some cases precede rather than follow gene duplication.
  
  3) The authors point out that their findings concerning ribozymes raises the question of whether similar possibilities exist in proteins. Some peptide segments can assume very different folds within larger proteins or ribonucleoprotein contexts. The authors point out, however, that no protein sequence is known to autonomously assume two different enzymatic folds and catalyze two respective reactions, and that it is questionable whether such a protein sequence could be found. "The chemical diversity of the 20 amino acid subunits may restrict the conformational options of protein sequences. The 20 amino acids have characteristic propensities to form *alpha-helical or beta-sheet secondary structure. They also differ in water solubility, which may explain why the most dramatic protein conformational changes... result in insoluble aggregates. In contrast, the roles of the 4 RNA nucleotides in forming *secondary and tertiary structure are less specialized. Hence, the lack of chemical diversity among the 4 RNA nucleotides, often cited as a disadvantage for developing efficient catalysis, allows for comprehensive conformational flexibility, leading to the intersection of ribozyme folding [possibilities; "networks"] and making RNA an attractive biopolymer for the birth of new functional folds in early evolution."
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  Do Unto Others

  by SickofLies in

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  a recent pew poll (http://ncronline.org/ncr_online/archives2/2006a/032406/032406h.htm) shows that the religious are more likely to favor torture than the secular.

  bill maher referring to guest reza aslan's no god but god (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect?link_code=ur2&tag=onegoodmove-20&camp=1789&creative=9325&path=http%3a%2f%2fwww.amazon.com%2fgp%2fproduct%2f0812971892%2fsr%3d8-1%2fqid%3d1143361264%2fref%3dpd_bbs_1%3f%255fencoding%3dutf8), said he was surprised how liberal and tolerant the prophet muhammad was.

  reza explained that in all religions the prophets don't invent the religions, but that "they take the social, and cultural, economic and political milieu they live in and and reshape it they recast it.

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  A recent pew poll (http://ncronline.org/NCR_Online/archives2/2006a/032406/032406h.htm) shows that the religious are more likely to favor torture than the secular. Bill Maher referring to guest Reza Aslan's No god but God (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect?link_code=ur2&tag=onegoodmove-20&camp=1789&creative=9325&path=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.com%2Fgp%2Fproduct%2F0812971892%2Fsr%3D8-1%2Fqid%3D1143361264%2Fref%3Dpd_bbs_1%3F%255Fencoding%3DUTF8), said he was surprised how liberal and tolerant the prophet Muhammad was. Reza explained that in all religions the prophets don't invent the religions, but that "they take the social, and cultural, economic and political milieu they live in and and reshape it they recast it. They don't talk about the future they talk about the present." It is the followers that come after that create the religion, and they often get much of it wrong.
  http://homepage.mac.com/onegoodmove2/movies/bm032406torturep.mov
  Aslan's point is well taken. The only problem is that there is no one around today--that I know of--who is willing to take the actual words of these prophets and re-define their respective religions accordingly. I can only imagine that anyone proclaiming to have re-codified the real Christianity or Islam would be locked up for heresy.

  Oh, and another thing!

  Why is it that guys from Washington like this Jack Kingston think that being a politician and an intellectual are mutually exlusive? Or that it's somehow cute to pretend they aren't all that smart? It wasn't cute when the hot girls in high school pretended to be dumb and it certainly isn't cute when our elected officials do it.
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  Placed 6 magazines this morning

  by stillajwexelder in

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  just thought i would let you all know, that as part of my ongoing theocratic warfare strategy i placed 6 magazines this morning.

  i will be recording about 20 on my time slip though

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  Seriously I’m all for putting in lots of reports of false hours, but if you insist on placing magazines I feel its your duty as an apostate to at least put a page of apostate literature so as to spread the real ‘truth’ about the organization.
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  Need some JW literature? Try this... :)

  by GoingGoingGone in

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  i got an email from a friend today describing some strange happenings at the meeting: .

  " my wife was in the back room with the kids today and there was this guy who my wife later described as a little "scary looking" for some reason and was carrying an empty "bowling bag" (whatever that is.

  anyway, this guy starts grabbing old literature from the library and putting it in his bag.

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  Some of the older books are rare or/and if in good condition, are worth quite a bit on e-bay.

  I'm surprised anyone noticed that someone was taking something out of the library........or that there was a library..............

  Can someone steal me a set of all of the Consolations and Golden Ages?

  Seriously? Well my hall has an impressive collection of old literature including a record of a speech made by Rutherford, I'm gonna swipe em all and put em up and E-bay and make a little coin before I DA, I know I can do it without getting caught because the stuff is in the basement and I can take it in the middle of a meeting and no one would ever know. Seriously I'm gonna do it, so if there is anything specific you think I should look for that’s valuable let be know...

  SickOfLies – stealing from the corrupt and giving to the innocent.
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  Lookin for a JW boy?

  by TashaWebber in

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  hiya im natasha, ive had a study b4 with the jws but im not a baptized jw!

  i would like 2 start back up with a study and im lookin for a friendship/relationship with a jw boy to help me through it!

  tasha.

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  wow, ur cute, i would love to help u, you can email me at smodaddy@sfae-mail.net or call me at 1-770-584-1013

  Ah yes, write a random guy who's only posted here three times and has dug up every thread ever posted of a girl looking for a guy... I feel obliged to teach this person a lesson about posting an E-mail address on a public form like this As far as everything else goes, your young and hurt right now, be weary of JW they try and take advantage of people like you. There are many good religions out there that don't turn people into paranoid introverts like your ex. I encourage you to look elsewhere for you answers to qustions you have. You may also want to look into science and evolution, you will find much truth there that is verifiable and wont lead you in any false directions or give you false hopes. Try doing a google search on Scientology and reading about it, look at the rediclus beliefs they have, JW's are no different. Look at other cults like the Mormons, they believe that some dude found stones given to him by an angle and everyone in that religion follows what this man wrote. Before you join any relgion I ask you to conisder that humans have evolved to want social acceptance and have an ability to understand abstract thoughts. Don't be mislead by fairtales, we live in the 21ist century. If you become a JW they will tell you never to get a higher education, never to ask questions about how we got here and why the universe and the earth is like it is today, they will feed you fair tales written long ago by men that have no scientific bearing. Do you believe that the sun and stars were created after the earth? No? Well thats what the bible teaches. You'll find someone else, but don't fall into the trap of religion.
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  Funny things that people told you

  by greendawn in

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  tell us of some funny things that other people told you either recently or in the distant past.

  i have the following quotes: .

  how someone described his father in law to me: "he has a little moustache like charlie chaplin and a big head like the frankenstein monster.

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  I had an elder tell me that the NWT was the best translation in the world and he went around asking other bible scholars and they all agreed. He also claimed that anyone could verify this by doing research. I guess he didn't plan on anyone ever checking this little statement out to see if its true....
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  Why be afraid of Freedom?

  by SickofLies in

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  there have been a couple of threads started lately (and i'm sure many in the past as well) of dubs ask us apostates what they have since leaving the borg.

  most people have responded that they enjoy their freedom, the ability to think independently.

  but freedom and independent thinking are shunned by the dubs.. so i ask the question, .

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  There have been a couple of threads started lately (and I'm sure many in the past as well) of dubs ask us apostates what they have since leaving the borg. Most people have responded that they enjoy their freedom, the ability to think independently. But freedom and independent thinking are shunned by the dubs.
  So I ask the question,

  Why be afraid of freedom and what are they really afraid of?
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  Tired of Carrot Cake!

  by Carmel in

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  wifey made the most scrumptuous carrot cake with cream cheeze frosting for my b-day friday!

  finally finished the last piece today!

  some things you can get too much of!!.

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  Me too! I reciently threw away all my Watchtower and Awake magazines I had lying around the house.

  Happy B-Day
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  A JW wants to know where we go when we leave the society

  by Madame Quixote in

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  i told him about few things we do.

  maybe some of you could add to this at: .

  http://www.jamaat.net/jforum/viewtopic.php?p=4682#4682 .

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  LOL @ Clam

  Seriously though, the JW reasoning is flawed. ; The Bible, when it poses that question, asks Lord, whom shall we go away to? ; You have sayings of everlasting life. (John 6:68) ; However, the WTS misleads JWs into asking "where" is there to go, other than the WTS.

  Well put, we have had a number of different posts lately from people getting asked this standard question from JW's in various forms. Its always the same question though. The thing is that the WTS does not have a monoploy on teaching about Jesus. There are many other religions out there that also promise ever lasting life that don't change their doctrine weekly and lie to their members about all the mistakes they've made.