Posts by SickofLies

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Is this a site for active JWs or for ex JWs?

by ><> in

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there's alot of jw "bashing" here.. if you have left the org., please inform me on what it was that convinced you to depart?

we have friends that are jws and we want to know how best to deal with them.

some are constantly giving us literature.

SickofLies

Welcome!

I'm a faithful active JW! I love Jehovah will all my mind, heart and soul! If you want a positive realistic review just ask me!

The fact that JW’s are inspired of God is just so obvious, just look at the world today, is it not in dire straits? What other religion has time and time again predicted the end of the world? Sure all these predictions have been wrong, but the fact is the end is coming, so sooner or later one of them will come true. One of the reasons I like being a JW is all the constantly changing doctrines, you can basically believe whatever you want and if you wait long enough it will probably be acceptable. Plus what other religion is founded by con artists and criminals has been so successful in publishing religious propaganda world wide? Indeed, this truly is the work of Satan! Join Satan and his dark army now, sign up to be a JW!

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Russell a con man and a criminal?

by SickofLies in

i just checked out the kingdom of the cults by r. zacherias from the library, origionally published in 1965 it has be revised and re-released in 2003 and it had some very interesting background info on c.t.

russell.

this has probably been covered here before, but since the infamousone wants non-fluffy posts this ones for you brother!.

SickofLies

I believe the conclusion was that the sermons were already written and were to be published at about the same time the sermons were actually delivered. However, in the case of the Hawaii sermons, there was a delay in the arrival of the ship carrying Russell, and there wasn't enough time to give the sermons. This was not know in Brooklyn, where the sermon was published.
So in this instance it was a breakdown in synchronization between the actial (or non) delivery of the sermons, and the publishing based upon a travel schedule of the pre-written text.

Regardless if he planned on giving the sermons or not the fact is that it is inherently dishonest to publish a rave review before you even give your talk! The fact that not all the sermons were given is proof of his true agenda, to spread properganda not truth.

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Hi Everyone

by wasted-youth in

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i was a jw only for about ten years, but they covered my teens to mid-20s.

i still have problems sorting out what i really think about life, religion, evolution and so on.

i also feel i was completely robbed of my 'wild years' and have never really lived.

SickofLies

Welcome! I invite you to visit www.talkorigins.org

Stay there and read everything you can, it will answer many quetions you have.

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What is now the most accurate Bible to buy??

by WingCommander in

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now that i've read ray franz's part about how his uncle and others with little actual greek or hebrew training translated the bible into the nwt, i've been interested in finding the best bible out there is correctly translated by people who know what the hell they are talking about.

niv?

i've also been looking at other religions lately, ones that are "somewhat" close to the jw's teachings to an extent, and have been interested in seventh day adventists.

SickofLies

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0380015390/104-6864095-0050345?v=glance&n=283155

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Russell a con man and a criminal?

by SickofLies in

i just checked out the kingdom of the cults by r. zacherias from the library, origionally published in 1965 it has be revised and re-released in 2003 and it had some very interesting background info on c.t.

russell.

this has probably been covered here before, but since the infamousone wants non-fluffy posts this ones for you brother!.

SickofLies

Greendawn,

Indeed the book talked quite a bit about his ocult practices and Masonic background, he clearly did not compile his books based on Christian teachings or ideas.

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Love of god? Why does god order to kill children?

by Godislove in

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could anyone help me out with commentaries regarding the following scriptures?

1 samuel 15:2-4

psalm 137:8, 9

SickofLies

1 Samuel 15:3 The Hebrew term refers to the irrevocable giving over of things or persons to the LORD, often by totally destroying them; also in verses 8, 9, 15, 18, 20 and 21.

Pslams 137

Verse 8. O daughter of Babylon, who art to be destroyed ] Or, O thou daughter of Babylon the destroyer, or, who art to be ruined. In being reduced under the empire of the Persians, Babylon was already greatly humbled and brought low from what it was in the days of Nebuchadnezzar; but it was afterwards so totally ruined that not a vestige of it remains. After its capture by Cyrus, A.M. 3468, it could never be considered a capital city; but it appeared to follow the fortunes of its various conquerors till it was, as a city, finally destroyed.

Rewardeth thee as thou hast served us. ] This was Cyrus, who was chosen of God to do this work, and is therefore called happy, as being God's agent in its destruction. Greater desolations were afterwards brought upon it by Darius Hystaspes, who took this city after it had revolted, and slaughtered the inhabitants, men and women, in a barbarous manner. Herod. lib. iii.

Verse 9. Happy-that taketh and dasheth thy little ones ] That is, So oppressive hast thou been to all under thy domination, as to become universally hated and detested; so that those who may have the last hand in thy destruction, and the total extermination of thy inhabitants, shall be reputed happy- shall be celebrated and extolled as those who have rid the world of a curse so grievous. These prophetic declarations contain no excitement to any person or persons to commit acts of cruelty and barbarity; but are simply declarative of what would take place in the order of the retributive providence and justice of God, and the general opinion that should in consequence be expressed on the subject; therefore praying for the destruction of our enemies is totally out of the question. It should not be omitted that the Chaldee considers this Psalm a dialogue, which it thus divides: - The three first verses are supposed to have been spoken by the psalmist, By the rivers, &c. The Levites answer from the porch of the temple, in ver. 4, How shall we sing, &c. The voice of the Holy Spirit responds in ver. 5, 6, If I forget thee, &c. Michael, the prince of Jerusalem, answers in ver. 7, Remember, O Lord, &c. Gabriel, the prince of Zion, then addresses the destroyer of the Babylonish nation, in ver. 8, 9, Happy shall be he that rewardeth thee, &c. To slay all when a city was sacked, both male and female, old and young, was a common practice in ancient times. Homer describes this in words almost similar to those of the psalmist: - uias tÆ ollumenouv, elkusqeisav te qugatrav, kai qalamouv keraizomenouv, kai nhpia tekna ballomena proti gaih en ainh dhiothti, Æelkomenav te nuouv olohv upo cersin acaiwn.

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Love of god? Why does god order to kill children?

by Godislove in

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friends

could anyone help me out with commentaries regarding the following scriptures?

1 samuel 15:2-4

psalm 137:8, 9

SickofLies

To Help others: Pslams 137:8,9

Daughter of Babylon, doomed to destruction, he will be happy who rewards you, as you have served us.Happy shall he be, who takes and dashes your little ones against the rock. (WEB)
O daughter of Babylon, that art to be destroyed, Happy shall he be, that rewardeth thee As thou hast served us. Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones Against the rock. Psalm 138 A Psalm of David. (ASV)
O daughter of Babylon, whose fate is destruction; happy is the man who does to you what you have done to us. Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones Against the rock. Psalm 138 A Psalm of David. (BBE)
Daughter of Babylon, who art to be laid waste, happy he that rendereth unto thee that which thou hast meted out to us. Happy he that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the rock. (DBY)
O daughter of Babylon, who art to be destroyed; happy shall he be, that rewardeth thee as thou hast served us. Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones. (KJV)
O daughter of Babylon, who art to be destroyed; happy shall he be, that rewardeth thee as thou hast served us. Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones. (WBS)
O daughter of Babylon, that art to be destroyed; happy shall he be, that repayeth thee as thou hast served us. Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the rock.(JPS)
O daughter of Babylon, O destroyed one, O the happiness of him who repayeth to thee thy deed, That thou hast done to us. O the happiness of him who doth seize, And hath dashed thy sucklings on the rock! (YLT)

1 Samuel 15:2-4
Thus says Yahweh of Armies,'I have marked that which Amalek did to Israel, how he set himself against him in the way, when he came up out of Egypt. Now go and strike Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and don't spare them; but kill both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.'" Saul summoned the people, and numbered them in Telaim, two hundred thousand footmen, and ten thousand men of Judah. (WEB)
Thus saith Jehovah of hosts, I have marked that which Amalek did to Israel, how he set himself against him in the way, when he came up out of Egypt. Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass. And Saul summoned the people, and numbered them in Telaim, two hundred thousand footmen, and ten thousand men of Judah. (ASV)
The Lord of armies says, I will give punishment to Amalek for what he did to Israel, fighting against him on the way when Israel came out of Egypt. Go now and put Amalek to the sword, putting to the curse all they have, without mercy: put to death every man and woman, every child and baby at the breast, every ox and sheep, camel and ass. And Saul sent for the people and had them numbered in Telaim, two hundred thousand footmen and ten thousand men of Judah. (BBE)
Thus saith Jehovah of hosts: I have considered what Amalek did to Israel, how he set himself against him in the way, when he came up from Egypt. Now go and smite Amalek, and destroy utterly all that they have, and spare them not, but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass. And Saul summoned the people, and numbered them in Telaim, two hundred thousand footmen, and ten thousand men of Judah. (DBY)
Thus saith the LORD of hosts, I remember that which Amalek did to Israel, how he laid wait for him in the way, when he came up from Egypt. Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass. And Saul gathered the people together, and numbered them in Telaim, two hundred thousand footmen, and ten thousand men of Judah. (KJV)
Thus saith the LORD of hosts, I remember that which Amalek did to Israel, how he laid wait for him in the way, when he came up from Egypt. Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass. And Saul assembled the people, and numbered them in Telaim, two hundred thousand footmen, and ten thousand men of Judah. (WBS)
Thus saith the LORD of hosts: I remember that which Amalek did to Israel, how he set himself against him in the way, when he came up out of Egypt. Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.' And Saul summoned the people, and numbered them in Telaim, two hundred thousand footmen, and ten thousand men of Judah. (JPS)
Thus said Jehovah of Hosts, I have looked after that which Amalek did to Israel, that which he laid for him in the way in his going up out of Egypt. Now, go, and thou hast smitten Amalek, and devoted all that it hath, and thou hast no pity on it, and hast put to death from man unto woman, from infant unto suckling, from ox unto sheep, from camel unto ass.' And Saul summoneth the people, and inspecteth them in Telaim, two hundred thousand footmen, and ten thousand 'are' men of Judah. (YLT)

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Something I Have To Tell The Board

by ColdRedRain in

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i got a phone call today from one of my former lovers.

she told me that she was with a man that was close to death, because he caught hiv and he didn't tell her.

anyways, i'm about to get tested tomorrow, april 1. pray that i test negative.

SickofLies

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Something I Have To Tell The Board

by ColdRedRain in

jw
friends

i got a phone call today from one of my former lovers.

she told me that she was with a man that was close to death, because he caught hiv and he didn't tell her.

anyways, i'm about to get tested tomorrow, april 1. pray that i test negative.

SickofLies

Judas!

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Russell a con man and a criminal?

by SickofLies in

i just checked out the kingdom of the cults by r. zacherias from the library, origionally published in 1965 it has be revised and re-released in 2003 and it had some very interesting background info on c.t.

russell.

this has probably been covered here before, but since the infamousone wants non-fluffy posts this ones for you brother!.

SickofLies

I just checked out The Kingdom of the Cults by R. Zacherias from the library, origionally published in 1965 it has be revised and re-released in 2003 and it had some very interesting background info on C.T. Russell. This has probably been covered here before, but since the infamousone wants non-fluffy posts this ones for you brother!

Miracle Wheat

November 1, 1916, a local newspaper, The Brooklyn Daily Eagle, published an interesting piece of investigative journalism exposing some alleged abuses by one of their most renowned citizens, Charles Taze Russell, founder of Zion's Watch Tower. The article states: "After the `work' had been well started here, `Pastor' Russell's Watch Tower publication advertized wheat seed for sale at $1.00 a pound (quite expensive in that day). "It was styled `Miracle Wheat,' and it was asserted that it would grow five times as much as any other brand of wheat. "There were other claims made for the wheat seed, and the followers were advised to purchase it, the proceeds to go to the Watch Tower and be used in publishing the `Pastor's' sermons. "The Eagle first made public the facts about these new ventures of the Russellites [an early term used to describe Russell's followers] and it published a cartoon picturing the `Pastor' and his `Miracle Wheat' in such a way that `Pastor' Russell brought suit for libel, asking $100,000 damages. "Government departments investigated the wheat for which $1.00 a pound was asked, and agents of the Government were important witnesses at the trial of the libel suit in January, 1913. "The `Miracle Wheat' was low in the Government tests, they said. The Eagle won the suit." Dr. Martin reproduced from microfilm on file in New York the following dates and titles from relevant articles of The Brooklyn Daily Eagle all published in January of 1913:

Financial statements proving Russell's absolute control, were made by (Watch Tower) Secre¬tary-Treasurer Van Amberg who was quoted as saying, "...We are not responsible to anyone for our expenditures. We are responsible only to God," (1/25/13, p. 16). Government experts testify on "Miracle Wheat" and ascertain beyond doubt that it is not miraculous or overly excellent (1/27/13, p. 3); Prosecution and Defense sum-up. Russell assailed but not present to hear it (1/28/13, p. 2); Russell loses libel suit (1/29/13, p. 16). Some modern Jehovah's Witnesses may wish to minimize the significance of the "Miracle Wheat" claiming that the profits from its sales went to the Watchtower Society and not Russell himself. However as Martin points out, Russell owned 990 of the 1,000 shares of Watchtower Society stock. By this figure, 99% of every "contribution" for "Mira¬cle Wheat" was in effect a contribution to Russell himself.

Fake Sermons?

The Brooklyn Daily Eagle also published a number of articles showing proof that during his tour of the world 'Pastor' Russell went on he did not make nearly as many stops as he claimed to. In fact he would rent out space in local papers and post rave reviews of sermons that he never gave!

Perjury?

Charles Russell lied under oath in a libel suit that he brought against a minister who had printed crutucal articles about him. Here is an excerpt from the trial:

Crown: "Do you know the Greek alphabet?"

Ressell: "Oh yes."

Crown: "Can you tell me the correct letters if you see them?"

Russell: "Some of them; I might make a mistake on some of them."

Crown: "Would you tell my the names of those on top of the page, page 447, I have got here?"

Russell: "Well, I don't know that I would be able to."

Crown: "You can't tell what these letters are?Look at them again and see if you know."

Russell: "My way." (He is inturrepted)

Crown: "Are you fimilar with the Greek language?"

Russell: "No."