Posts by hallelujah

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Watchtower and the Masons - part 1

by truth_about_the_truth in

i will be posting contents of the book "watchtower and the masons" by fritz springmeier.

this is an extremely rare book that is currently out of print.

the information contained here is extremely important in determining what this organization is all about.

hallelujah

For the doubters, read the 1913 Convention Reports (scans in pdf format) at

http://www.exjws.net/museum/masonry.htm

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Was Jesus sacrifice really a sacrifice?

by jambon1 in

i would like to state firstly that i in no way intend to offend anyone.. its just when i was in the org i had major problems with the blood issue/death because of persecution.

many times we were taught that god does`nt ask us to do anything that he has`nt done himself.

now imagine everything the bible says about jesus really did happen.

Actually in the Gospels Jesus teaches us to love God our creator with all our being and to love thy neighbour as thyself. And this was while he was alive. Just the necessary stuff. None of this ransom garbage.

If Jesus was sacrificed to appease Jehovah's blood lust well that speaks for itself. If Jesus was sacrificed to appease a law above Jehovah and that law itself demanded innocent blood for humanities sins, well that's the law of the mob.

I prefer to read Jesus reported (and translated) words in the Gospels when he was alive rather than to the rabid murmurings about the "meaning" of his death.

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Was Jesus sacrifice really a sacrifice?

by jambon1 in

i would like to state firstly that i in no way intend to offend anyone.. its just when i was in the org i had major problems with the blood issue/death because of persecution.

many times we were taught that god does`nt ask us to do anything that he has`nt done himself.

now imagine everything the bible says about jesus really did happen.

hallelujah

No one really believes Mary was a virgin do they????

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Rules for being human...

by upside/down in

jw
friends

the rules for being human .

1. you will receive a body .

you may like it or hate it, but it is yours for the entire period of this time around.

hallelujah

Where inside me? I've tried naval gazing and all I see is my naval.

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Systematic Watchtower Revision in 2005 WTCD

by VM44 in

unclebruce made a posting in this thread http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/7/109480/1.ashx in which he made the following quotes from the reasoning book and the watchtower concerning the obsolete teaching of the separation of the sheep and goats.

"the judgement and separation work by jesus was proof of his presence since 1914.

" reasoning from the scriptures 1989 p. 344. .

hallelujah

Hi VM44,

this is from the 2003 CD

"In this day of judgment of the nations, Jehovah’s associate Shepherd and King, Christ Jesus, the Son of David, continues to separate the "sheep" of mankind from those who may claim to be "sheep" but are actually "goats." (Matthew 25:31-33)"

Is it the same as this on the 2005 CD?

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WTS: its real patrons

by greendawn in

do you believe that the wts is being protected assisted and guided by demonic powers despite their claim that they are strictly associated only with god and his spirit?

i personally think it is not a coincidence that many things happen in their favour it is for example the demons that fight the "apostates" to prevent them from damaging the wts by exposing their wrong doing.

they also help blind and mislead ppl to enter this destructive cult.

hallelujah

Dear dvw;

You might start with the execution massacres of a hundred Palestinian children, women and men in Deir Yassin in 1948 by the Stern Gang and the execution of 3000 Palestinian civilians, mostly children, women and the elderly in Sabra and Chatila in 1982 where the Israeli army under Ariel Sharon surrounded the unarmed refugee camps and sent in the "Christian militia" to exterminate the Palestinians. Perhaps it has something to do with the discourse of zionism that the Palestinians are simply two legged animals.

Interestingly Charles Taze Russell was a fundamentalist zionist in the cast of the new right in America today, who believe that zion must be restored in historical Eretz Israel (greater Israel) before the messianic rule can begin, so the early Watchtower publications are partly responsible for the dispossession and acts of extermination against the Palestinians in Palestine and Lebanon.

I request you to read Israel in Lebanon - report of the International Commission to Enquire into Reported Violations of International Law

Daniel Taylor

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Jehovah as Satan - human sacrifice in the Bible

by hallelujah in

in the bible there is a human sacrifice of jepthah's daughter as a burnt offering at judges 11:29,11:39, in gratitude for giving jepthah victory in battle.

now the wtbts and others more recently proclaim that this was only a sacrifice of her virginity and that by sacrificing her as a burnt offering what it really meant was that she was forcibly restrained from having marital relations and forced to die a virgin.

do any sisters see any similarity with the injunction to sisters to only marry in the lord???

hallelujah

In the Bible there is a human sacrifice of Jepthah's daughter as a burnt offering at Judges 11:29,11:39, in gratitude for giving Jepthah victory in battle. Now the WTBTS and others more recently proclaim that this was only a sacrifice of her virginity and that by sacrificing her as a burnt offering what it really meant was that she was forcibly restrained from having marital relations and forced to die a virgin. Do any sisters see any similarity with the injunction to Sisters to only marry in the lord???

The other thing no witness could ever satisfy me about was - to whom, or to what, was Jesus sacrificed? If Jesus was sacrificed to God, then what kind of a God is that, who demands the blood of the innocent to pay for the sins of the guilty. If Jesus was sacrificed to satisfy law, then the law must be higher than God and God subject to it, but again, what kind of a law is that which demands the blood of the innocent to pay for the sins of the guilty???

Could Jehovah be Satan?

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What about calling out to Jah?

by hallelujah in

the big to me is what about jehovah.

after years of calling out to jah, literally, i start to wonder whether jah really helps me or rather it's just a type of mantra.

i have started thinking that i have to look after myself.

hallelujah

I was at a watchtower study once and they were discussing when the rest of Israel went up against the Benjamites and for the first two attacks the rest of Israel suffered massive losses. But everything was just as Jehovah willed it to be. You see he was testing Israel - by allowing the Benjamites to slaughter the Israelites he could test them. What a loving Father Jehovah is.

Dan

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Does anyone know what "Jehovah's organisation" is?

by hallelujah in

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the 1 may 1957 at page 285 the watchtower states:.

16 with thankful hearts we acknowledge gods mercy and gratefully and willingly show our respect for jehovahs organization, for she is our mother and the beloved wife of our heavenly father, jehovah god.. what on earth is jehovah's [visible] organisation???

hallelujah

I was giving it a charitable shot for the sake of my nephew but I think it's absolutely impossible.

Dan

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Does anyone know what "Jehovah's organisation" is?

by hallelujah in

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the 1 may 1957 at page 285 the watchtower states:.

16 with thankful hearts we acknowledge gods mercy and gratefully and willingly show our respect for jehovahs organization, for she is our mother and the beloved wife of our heavenly father, jehovah god.. what on earth is jehovah's [visible] organisation???

hallelujah

If Jehovah's Organisation is us, then how can it be our mother and the wife of God? I do not presume to be God's wife. Moreover how can we show respect to an abstract idea, which was the whole point of the Watchtower article?