Posts by helppls

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OK believers, time to put up or shut up...

by Gregor in

apparently, a large percentage of xjw's who post on this site have embraced some other form of god/jesus belief to replace the wt doctrine.

most of them fall into the "i accept the lord jesus christ as my personal savior" class.

they are still extremely attached to the old "forgiveness of sin through the shed blood of jc" line.

helppls

Lil....

True...the WTS religion was a big disappointment for me, to say the least. I still do believe in something or someone bigger than all of us though. I have a very negative view of organized religion at this point , but I truly don't know where that would lead me. We all just need to keep on growing and learning from our mistakes........I don't know you and have nothing personal against you. I am not for or against "believers" or " non-believers" on this board. I am not taking a position on this issue at this point. I am just reading and observing. But having been in this long-drawn process of getting away from the JW religion (my family is held hostage), your initial response to Gregor's post sent me the jee-vees, so to speak. IT DID SOUND very much like "Watchtower babble" all over again...and from someone claiming to be out of it for two years. Does this show how easy it is to fall back into the Watchtower quagmire, without the person even being aware of it???? Was the brainwashing so deep seated that somebody who has consciously separated from the organization be unconciously still espousing their beliefs??? THIS IS REALLY SCARY...AND A CAUSE OF CONCERN FOR ME.........

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questions to ask your BIBLE STUDY CONDUCTOR

by jwfacts in

i have just written the following (long) article.

i would appreciate comments and suggestions on things i can add or subtract.. .

baptism as one of jehovahs witnesses is a significant step as it is a life time commitment to the watchtower society.

helppls

Awesome!!! Wish I've known these when I was studying...........

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DO SOMETHING

by ArtfulDodger in

i see this site gets thousands of postings every day .. from literally thousands of members, mostly ex-dubs, from all over the world.. rather than simply go on moaning and whinging about the big nasty org why don't you all put your efforts into something positive ... do something.. ok - the org is evil .. but it exists ... and simply whining on about it doesn't change that.

with your efforts directed at something positive, you could do wonders for .

.for anything you choose.. hundreds of real charities could do with your support - to help the really needy .

helppls

AD-

I can tell you that this Board has done a lot to help me emotionally. My husband cannot talk to me about my spiritual/emotional conflict because WTS rules said he couldn't ("too apostate-like"). Elders listened to some of my questions but never did come for the answers they said they would research and come back to me for. Just a couple of months ago, I thought I was alone and did not have anybody I could talk to. It was getting so frustrating, sometimes-driving me out of my mind! My only other option would have been to pay somebody (psychiatrist) just to talk to me. Now, I don't have to do that. Through this Board, I found the people to whom I could interact, express all my frustrations and validate my concerns without being told I was just crazy or spiritually dead. AND I KNOW I AM NOT THE ONLY ONE HELPED BY THIS BOARD.

By the measure you judge people, would you be judged yourself. What are you doing whining about the "Whiners"??? Do something AD! STAY AWAY!

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JW,s Best Dressed People !!

by moomanchu in

i thought of all the money i saved on not buying all the meeting clothes for my family, and it got me wondering about the reason why jw,s need to dress up for everything they do.

i think it must have all started because russell had that clothing store and this was a good way for him to have a cornered market.

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helppls

I'm sorry--I have to re-post. My whole post did not make it to the board...I'm a relative newbie..so I hope that's an acceptable excuse...

CORPORATE IMAGE—I think this is mainly the reason why WTS requires its members to dress nicely all the time. Charles Russell was a magazine/books publisher. He strategically set out to target the religious market which must have been a growing market at that time. To ensure market stability, he aimed for slow but steady growing market. So he built his own religious organization whose members became the “captive market” for his company’s publications…very slick huh? (Of course, helppls

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JW,s Best Dressed People !!

by moomanchu in

i thought of all the money i saved on not buying all the meeting clothes for my family, and it got me wondering about the reason why jw,s need to dress up for everything they do.

i think it must have all started because russell had that clothing store and this was a good way for him to have a cornered market.

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helppls

CORPORATE IMAGE—I think this is mainly the reason why WTS requires its members to dress nicely all the time. Charles Russell was a magazines/books publisher. He strategically set out to target the religious market which must have been a growing market at that time. To ensure market stability, he aimed for slow but steady growing market. So he built his own religious organization whose members became the “captive market” for his company’s publications…very slick huh? (Of course,

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My dad's continuing journey.....

by freedomlover in

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friends

any of you who have been following the saga of my life and my dad will appreciate how another person is finding the truth out.

i sent him the scans of lady liberty's addition from grayson's book.

(thanks ll!

helppls

freedomlover--

Do you happen to know where ur dad ordered all his books, most especially the (8) CD's containing all early-Russell WTS publications???? Please tell? Thx...

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Wondering about the 144,000.......

by helppls in

i've been really impressed by the knowledge of many posters here, re witnesses 101. since none of the jws around me would address my questions anymore, i'm wondering if you guys could help me figure out the following questions:.

-how far back do we start counting, when trying to account for the 144,000?--from adam?

before christ?

helppls

I've been really impressed by the knowledge of many posters here, re Witnesses 101. Since none of the JWs around me would address my questions anymore, I'm wondering if you guys could help me figure out the following questions:

-How far back do we start counting, when trying to account for the 144,000?--from Adam? before Christ? 1st century? Pentecost? first time WTS was registered as a corporation? 1874? 1914? 1935?

-WTS stats show that 52,465 "annointed partook" in the 1935 memorial...what was their average age then? If it was 25 years, which is highly improbable...these people would be average of 95 years old by now, right?. Is this the current average age of the "partakers" in 2005?

-How many members did WTS have in 1935? What country were they from, mostly? Since early Christianity started mostly in Israel, spreading in Rome, Greece, etc...shouldn't there be more annointed in these places than in the US. That is, if we're to accept the premise that the religion "Jehovah's Witnesses" is an offshoot of the early 1st century Christians?

-What is the relationship between GB and annointed? If annointed can be either male or female, why are GB members limited to males??

-Faithful and discreet slave refers to-- GB or annointed group?

-What and where was Jehovah's chosen "faithful & discreet" slave (supposed to be), before Russell organized the Watchtower Corp in (1874?)

Okay. That's it for now. Have to go back to work. I will check back at 500PM my time.

Thanks everyone.

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Well, my wife flipped out.

by rassillon in

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friends

i hope i don't go too long with this.... last night my wife and i were talking about her day in service.

we talked about several things of little consequence and then i made mention of a point out of the reasoning book to underscore the importance of our need to be well versed in the facts that support our beliefs.

said point is on 416 of the rs book.

helppls

Hi everyone..I don't post often...I'm relatively a "newbie"...but I read posts whenever I could.

Rasillon-your post touched me more because I am exactly in the same position...have been for many years (I've been inactive for over ten years). And I've experienced it myself--whenever my husband feels (rightly or not) that his JW beliefs are threatened/under attack, his personality changes right before my very eyes. My loving, laid-back, happy-go-lucky husband turns into a roaring lion ready to blow me to kingdom come...or he just shuts down and ignores me. He is also a great believer in man's "headship"...wives are just "helper", yadda-yadda-yadda! Which means, anything I say especially about "spritual" things don't really hold water as far as he's concerned. And since he knows that I've been visiting this board a lot lately, he says I've been getting apostate info, and he treats anything I have to say with more disdain . I know how you feel...it is really frustrating. I HATE WTS!!! They are liars and hypocrites! They require their followers to talk to disinterested strangers about "the bible", and yet, discourage these same followers from discussing exactly the same issues to loved ones who are "really interested" in analyzing (with the view of understanding) the substance/merits of their teachings. They say they give their followers the choice to make their own decisions, and yet they punish them when they decide contrary to the standard WT line.

Sorry..I can keep on going.....I just want to tell you, as you must know already---that you're not alone.

(Note: I want this msg to go to this thread so, I'm re-posting..and crossing my fingers....LMW)

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Well, my wife flipped out.

by rassillon in

jw
friends

i hope i don't go too long with this.... last night my wife and i were talking about her day in service.

we talked about several things of little consequence and then i made mention of a point out of the reasoning book to underscore the importance of our need to be well versed in the facts that support our beliefs.

said point is on 416 of the rs book.

helppls

Hi everyone..I don't post often...I'm relatively a "newbie"...but I read posts whenever I could.

Rasillon-your post touched me more because I am exactly in the same position...have been for many years (I've been inactive for over ten years). And I've experienced it myself--whenever my husband feels (rightly or not) that his JW beliefs are threatened/under attack, his personality changes right before my very eyes. My loving, laid-back, happy-go-lucky husband turns into a roaring lion ready to blow me to kingdom come...or he just shuts down and ignores me. He is also a great believer in man's "headship"...wives are just "helper", yadda-yadda-yadda! Which means, anything I say especially about "spritual" things don't really hold water as far as he's concerned. And since he knows that I've been visiting this board a lot lately, he says I've been getting apostate info, and he treats anything I have to say with more disdain . I know how you feel...it is really frustrating. I HATE WTS!!! They are liars and hypocrites! They require their followers to talk to disinterested strangers about "the bible", and yet, discourage these same followers from discussing exactly the same issues to loved ones who are "really interested" in analyzing (with the view of understanding) the substance/merits of their teachings. They say they give their followers the choice to make their own decisions, and yet they punish them when they decide contrary to the standard WT line.

Sorry..I can keep on going.....I just want to tell you, as you must know already---that you're not alone.

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DF'ing... Worth avoiding, or...?

by Gregor in

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friends

every time i log on i read posts from those who are desperately trying to avoid disfellowshipping.

playing cat & mouse with elders and jcs, etc.

i don't want to judge people whose situations i don't know anything about.

helppls

unclebruce--just want u to know i like u...always so insightful and helpful.