Interesting theory terry but I have to agree with hillary. I don't see the GB personally benefitting from the monies except in extending their fanatical reach to all parts of the globe. I truly believe they are bit misguided and victums of their own belief system. I have pictures of fred franz and ganges when they were alive, they weren't exactly living in opulence in bethel.
thecarpenter
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YOU "THINK" YOU KNOW.....BUT...YOU DON'T KNOW!!
by Terry inthe door to door work is a sham.. the central activity of the watchtower bible and tract society is not spreading their so-called "messege" about the kingdom of jehovah established in the heavens in 1914. that's a load of propaganda.. the door to door activity is feckless in producing converts.
in fact, it is an immense failure of mammoth proportions!.
but, it is a diversion.
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This is hillarious
by Stealth453 inhttp://www.banditos.info/speles/sobersanta2.swf.
hint...stay away from the tracks.. enjoy.....
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thecarpenter
I got 222, I guess I can't handle my liquor
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Do You Live a 'Normal' Life?
by Golf inis unhappiness, guilt and a low-self-esteem normal?
let's share some positive experiences.
for me, i seek to find the good out of negative experiences.
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thecarpenter
Hey Golf,
So you're a tradesman as well. I worked with a few ironworkers and I have to say you guys are nuts but I had a lot of fun. Since I finally left the Borg, things have been going very well, thanks to all the support from this discussion forum. It has helped me get past the mind control and guilt and to move on to more positive things.
I'm back in school and loving it. I'm reading a lot more, meeting more people, and really developing greater skill sets. It's funny but I find that I'm smiling and laughing more. One day, I would like to write a book but not right now. What's on the agenda now is traveling more, getting better at salsa dancing, doing things I never done before such as water skiing, scuba diving, ski diving, and maybe a bungy jump or two. I also want to join Home for Habitat this summer, it should be a lot of fun. Life is really what you make it and I like going to sleep exhausted from working hard (secularly and personally) everyday.
There are challenges that I face such as the level of work required to make friends (I make it a point to call all my friends at least once a week), getting over the programmed fear of being with 'worldly people', my own personal insecurities and so on but as you mentions, 'Combating negativity is a challenge and we need to confront that challenge. The more we tackle it, the more we will find relief and a purpose to be positive, mind you, it will be gradual, but it's worth the challenge. This is sound psychological advice. When we conquer fears, it inoculates us from more fears and increases self esteem.
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Article on Origins of Xristianity I Wrote REALLY UPSET Local Christians
by Seeker4 ini had an assignment to write a bunch of holiday articles that would be shared by all the various papers owned by the guy who owns the paper i'm the editor of.
after i'd had enough with the usual holiday stuff, i decided to get a little adventerous and expanded one in the series to include, not just the origins of christmas foods, but also some ideas i've been reading and watching about the origins of the chrisitain religion itself.. this is a link to the article, which ran a few weeks ago: .
http://www.messagefortheweek.com/main.asp?sectionid=1&subsectionid=20&articleid=849.
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thecarpenter
you mean there's no santa??? Damn pagans, next you'll tell me that elves don't make toys!!!!
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What Do You Do for Work?
by Good Girl or Bad Girl? inso, i have a good job, but i hate my boss.
it's gotten to the point (beyond the point) that i just need to get outta here.
it's not even worth going to hr about because she makes sure you get fired if you do that, but not before dragging your reputation through the mud.
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thecarpenter
I'm a carpenter but I would like to be a brain surgeon
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Why do apostates lie about where they get their information?
by slimboyfat init does no good.
i don't understant it - who do they think they're foolin'?.
i have just been listening to the judicual committee that disfellowshipped rick and laverne townsend and it is cringeworthy, to say the least, to listen to them cover-up, distort and outright lie about the sources of their information and the real background to their dissent.
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thecarpenter
hey becca, you are right on the money.
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Should I get an iPod? What do you use yours for?
by Elsewhere inlet me start by saying that i am not a music fan.
i hardly ever listen to music and almost never buy cd's and my car's stereo is almost always set to npr or some other news station.
i don't even have a stereo system at home... simply because i would never use it.. however, i've been hearing more and more about the ipod devices.
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thecarpenter
I don't have a ipod, but a 2 year old iriver mp3 player. I can record lectures(excellent mic), display pictures and movies (with a flash upgrade), play mp3's (I listen to college lectures, music, and podcast such as NPR or elder recordings, ha ha), and listen to FM stations. I also use it to transfer large files sometimes (20 gig harddrive). It really was a great purchase and when it goes, I will promptly buy another.
It is the sort of thing that you find uses for... plus if you get the ipod, you can satisfy that nagging feeling that you are not with it... (emotional branding advertising) -
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Any New Year Resolutions yet? (only those you really plan to keep)
by thecarpenter inwell, the new year is approaching soon, was wondering if you folks have set any goals?
i have several goals which i put off for a long time but will finally pursue this year.
one is to get my scuba diver license.
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thecarpenter
hey abandoned, do you mean a childrens story book or a life story? And are you going to publish it or try to have it published by a outside publisher? (have you been published before?) I always wanted to write a book... 'the carpenter's guide to life' or something like that... the first thing I would say is don't join a cult...
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i'm happier
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JW Children Lie in Custody Cases
by compound complex indirect and cross-examination questions in child custody cases.
wtb&ts, page 42.
"be careful that they [jw children being questioned] don't get the impression that they are in a demonstration at the circuit assembly, when they would show that the first things in life are service and going to the kingdom hall.
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thecarpenter
Coaching can be a problem if it causes the testimony of one witness to be influenced by the testimony of another. A prosecutor might fish for a certain version of events by presenting her witness with other evidence from the case. If she tells the witness what other people have already said in court, the witness may change his story to match.
Judges can try to keep this from happening by sequestering the witnesses. That doesn't mean that a bailiff will confiscate their newspapers and lock them in a hotel—but it does mean that the lawyers can't tell them what other witnesses are saying at the trial. (In the Moussaoui case the witnesses were instructed to avoid media accounts of the trial as well.) Either side can request one of these sequestration orders under Rule 615 of the Federal Rules of Evidence, or the judge can issue it at her own discretion. In fact, it's common practice for a judge to sequester the witnesses at the start of a criminal trial.
What if a prosecutor coaches the witness a little bit too much before the trial even starts? Lawyers can start prepping someone for the stand well before the judge has a chance to issue a sequestration order. That means they can present their witness with documentary evidence that they plan to introduce in court, or they can tell him what their other witnesses are going to say under oath. These practices wouldn't necessarily run afoul of Rule 615, nor would they amount to criminal tampering under section 1512. But lawyers are under an ethical obligation to avoid coaching a witness in such a way that would distort his testimony. A prosecutor who violated this code might not face criminal and civil contempt citations (like the ones threatened for the Moussaoui blunder), but she could find herself in front of a state ethics committee.
http://www.slate.com/id/2138167/ Ed, I disagree with your view. A child is coached to materially alter the goals that they are indoctrinated with. This is why so many take issue with your conclusions. Your argument would may sense JW weren't mentally conditioned the way the watchtower conditions people. There is strong peer influence, strongly worded articles and a mental restrictive enviroment that the watchtower set up, that's why we left, most of us were willing to trust our gut feeling that something was wrong with the organization. Many children don't possess this degree of experience or fortitude.