I have heard it mispronounced many times, by jws as well as non-dubs.
Some people of certain ethnic or racial extractions have trouble with some of the terms; i.e. "Jehover", "Revelations" (the Bible book), and also "Jehovah Witness"
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by ChuckD indid anyone happen to catch the show on the cable tv discovery health channel this past weekend about blood?
i tuned in mid-way through it, just in time to see them covering bloodless surgery planned for a jw woman.
the patient was a very heavy, diabetic woman who needed heart surgery.. what i found interesting was that the patient refered to herself as a "jehovah witness" (sic) while the narrator of the program used the correct pronounciation.
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What things are pagan in origin?
by roybatty ini read someone's commment about the pagan origins of pretzels, which i didn't know.
i'd like to share with my kids other items or customs that are also pagan in origin, like wedding rings and the wedding cake.
i want them to see that christmas isn't the only tradition with roots in pagan religion that have changed meaning over the years.. any others out there?
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DB
Uh oh, I just ate some pretzels (the "Thins"...must be skinny people with arms folded in prayer).
I have always felt that as time goes by, many traditions and holidays with so-called pagan origins take on a different meaning. Example: saying "God bless you" or simply "bless you" to someone who has sneezed...no one who says those words these days thinks of their supposed superstitious origin. Rather, the person is simply trying to be nice.
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Awake! 1/22/02- How Ironic
by Mister Biggs inon page 18, there is an article entitled, 'religious persecution in georgia-how much longer?
' for those of you current with the situation in georgia, you know that the witnesses there have been receiving many physical attacks.
you also know that the key player leading the attacks is vasili mkalavishvili, the defrocked orthodox priest.
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DB
The irony appears clear. Good observation Bigsy.
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The REAL reason subscriptions have stopped!
by LDH ini know there's a million more out there, so post 'em!.
whilst speaking with pops last night, i asked how he felt about not getting his subscription any more.
he was trying his best to be chipper about it.
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DB
I must agree that money is the main consideration here, and I cannot understand why an organization which always seemed to pride itself on feeding people spiritually has seemed to put money ahead of that. I said this before on an earlier post...the US Postal Service gets to every home in the USA, and to me, that is a very efficient and effective way to get "spritual food" to people.
In fact, the reason why Fed Ex recently entered into joint ventures with the Postal Service is that their "penetration" to homes in the USA is unparalled. Fed Ex saw that such reach could not be duplicated, so they signed on with the Postal Service instead. And here's the WTBS, doing just the opposite. And of course, the WTBS says they have something far more valuable to deliver. Go figure.
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WILL I BE DISFELLOWSHIPPED?
by jazz inmy wife went into my email and found out i have been looking at porn and chatting with other women she went to the elders and told them i go before them on sunday.
what do you think my fate will be
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DB
Richie, I agree with you 100 percent. What I am asking here is, is cyber-sex considered pornea/fornication? I do realize that it would be considered lewd conduct and that indeed, what is usually happening is a verbal/typed stimulation of another person, in order to arouse a sexual response. However, for the purpose of establishing pornea, and hence, the possiblity of a scriptural grounds for divorce, I still wonder, because the fact is, there is no physical contact. Even so, I am making no attempt to downplay the matter. One thing that had come to mind is that the elders could try to catagorize this under "loose conduct" and if it presisted and the guy is keeping it up despite his wife's protests, then they may perhaps feel that dfing might be warranted. As you mentioned, such a matter is complex indeed. One thing taht bugs me here: the wife went right to the elders instead of talking with her husband first. Typical borgish response, but really, she should have talked to him first, as should all jws who witness or come to know of serious offenses. They should go to the person involved first. All too often, they run to the elders, and while the matter does get handled, it often ends up hurting more than it has to.
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WILL I BE DISFELLOWSHIPPED?
by jazz inmy wife went into my email and found out i have been looking at porn and chatting with other women she went to the elders and told them i go before them on sunday.
what do you think my fate will be
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DB
You are correct, Valis, but I don't think that dfing would result in this case. I did serve as an elder for quite some time, and in no case was a person df'd for thinking wrong thoughts. The bottom line is, something has to actually happen, in this case actual physical contact.
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WILL I BE DISFELLOWSHIPPED?
by jazz inmy wife went into my email and found out i have been looking at porn and chatting with other women she went to the elders and told them i go before them on sunday.
what do you think my fate will be
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DB
To have committed pornea, you would have had to actually manipulate the other person's genitalia or engage in sex relations. I don't see how cyber-sex falls into that category, since the person stimulates him/herself.
In a Question From Readers a few years back, a guy wrote in that his wife had admitted to fantasizing about another guy. He asked if he could divorce her on the grounds of fornication. The answer given was no, since no actual sex had taken place. I wish I could remember which issue of the WT that was, but offhand I cannot recall; I only recall that it may have been written about 5-7 years ago, but maybe more.
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Note to the Wiz
by DB inwiz, you totally misunderstood my post on "jw bosses".
partly, it's my fault for not being more specific.. i wanted windows installed in my house.
that's the work i was referring to.
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Oh and one other thing wiz, I do not and never did employ anyone. I work for a local employer and I'm on a payroll just like the others who work with me.
Again, I should have been more specific when I posted on the JW Bosses matter. I guess I am still afraid that the dubs will find me out and come and get me!
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Note to the Wiz
by DB inwiz, you totally misunderstood my post on "jw bosses".
partly, it's my fault for not being more specific.. i wanted windows installed in my house.
that's the work i was referring to.
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Wiz, you totally misunderstood my post on "JW Bosses". Partly, it's my fault for not being more specific.
I wanted windows installed in my house. That's the work I was referring to. I contacted jw friends of mine who are in the home remodeling/window install business. They failed to show up to give me estimates. So I contacted a local "wordly" company and they gave me an estimate and did the work on schedule.
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Talk with a Governing Body member
by roybatty inwhat would you say to a governing body member if you had the chance?
a few years back while i was a jw i visited my sister and brother-in-law at bethel.
well, after the grand tour of crooklyn, the farm and having dinner with the bethel family i had the honor of attending the sunday meeting at a congregation where a couple of the governing body members attended.
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Good one, ThiChi!
About 15 years ago, Fred Franz came to our area, and he was in the back seat of a friend's car and they stopped by the house we were socializing in at the time. I went out to the car to say hi to the little old dude, an he seemed unassuming enough. Then they departed. Also, a couple of yrs ago, Carey Barber member gave a couple of talks at our cicuit assembly. His talks were rather boring and really very unsubstantive. He kept repeating "you don't have to be disfellowshipped", a statement that I found to be odd to say the least. Then, afterward, he came to the front of the hall and pretty many friends were trying to greet him. I went over and said hello. I felt like asking him if he was having an autograph-signing session, but just passed along after saying hello.