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  Are the WTBS the modern day Pharisees and Saducees

  by Leander in

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  i've been thinking about this for sometime now and i wanted to know how other people felt about this comparison.

  the pharisees were known for hypocrisy and for also promoting traditions of men and other non-bibical teachings.

  when we look at the wtbs in light of the actions of the pharisees there are some amazing similarities.

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  Leander, I agree with your assessment. And after reading Crisis of Conscience, my suspicions were also verified; I have felt for a long time that the example of Pharisees actually applies in more ways to the WTS than it does to the leaders of Christendom.

  The examples that you mentioned were the same that I would mention as well. And I know that Ozziepost and Prisca feel the same way as you do also, judging from Ozzie's post above and comments Prisca had made on another thread.

  Matthew 23:1-8 are very applicable, in my opinion, to the WTS, with the exception perhaps that they do not have particular titles, like "Rabbi" and "Father". Of course, a good argument could be made that the jw religion still has a heirarchy, and in Crisis, R. Franz discusses the almost royal treatment given to Governing Body members, especially when they travel; and by the way, he also points out that they get to travel to places and in extent that most people could only dream of.

  So yes, I am in agreement with your post, and I think it's a good one!
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  What JW's on MSN Think of This Site...

  by teenyuck in

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  i cut and pasted from just jw's on msn...i will post the link, however, if you are not a member you cannot link in...somehow i got accepted!.

  http://64.4.8.250/cgi-bin/linkrd?_lang=en&lah=8c41521583fca644a4e2d0ee2c43f5b4&lat=1015435130&hm___action=http%3a%2f%2fcommunities%2emsn%2eco%2euk%2fjustjws.

  the jehovahs-witness.com site is not a jehovah's witness site.

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  Well, being with the bad guys is usually more fun anyway!

  It is interesting how, when they see something that may contain criticism, that, rather than check it out to see whether the criticism is valid, jws are basically programmed to run in the opposite direction.

  If they indeed have the truth, what are they afraid of?
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  That went pretty well, I think...

  by SixofNine in

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  just got off the phone with an elder who called to set up a meeting with me.

  my hands are a bit shakey, but i'm settling down and feeling better, all in all.

  the elder had left messeges this weekend (i was out of town), and i had heard from my mother a week previous that they were going to come gunning for me.

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  Six, that did indeed seem to go fairly well. However, what happens from here on in depends upon several factors, including how dogged this group of elders in going to be about supposedly "shepherding" you. As you said, if they are generally a 'do nothing' bunch, they may indeed leave you be. Or, it may be possible that they will check back, especially if the CO comes through and notices (normally by checking cong. records). But for now, yes, that did seem to go well.
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  How many of you had readings of the text in school

  by terafera in

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  reading some of the posts made me remember (not fondly!

  ) not fitting in as a jw in school.

  then a sister mentioned that bro.

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  Hey terafera, you hit the nail on the head...he probably counted time on his service report...not a bad idea from his standpoint, probably counted 5 hrs/month, lol

  Take care bud!! ;)
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  How many of you had readings of the text in school

  by terafera in

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  reading some of the posts made me remember (not fondly!

  ) not fitting in as a jw in school.

  then a sister mentioned that bro.

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  Hey there terafera! ;)

  Interesting post, and actually I would wonder how the school reacted to such discussions, whether they would be considered as teaching or/ having a structured discussion of religion in school, which could have gotten the brother in hot water. I wonder if he asked permission from the school first? Somehow, I doubt it, lol.

  I can't recall any such discussions when I was in school, and yes, I am rather thankful there weren't, lol.

  Take care! DB ;);)
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  society cutting costs?!

  by greven in

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  i was wondering if you noticed the society cutting costs.. for example : the books are now printed on cheaper paper and have a soft cover.

  also subscriptions are no longer mailed by post but will be brought to you by publishers (cutting cost and upping field service!

  to flies in one!).

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  Yes, subscriptions in the USA will be halted. If you have a sub now, when it runs out, you will not be able to renew it. The only exceptions will be in areas hard to reach or perhaps by shut-ins, etc.
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  I'm new here

  by konkreetgurl in

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  hey everybody, i'm a christian, but i'm not a jehovah's witness and i recently made friends with one, i know little to nothing about this religion and i would like to know more, can anyone help me out by way of how it is different from say, an evangelical free christian church?

  and what sort of theology and doctrine jw's go by and such, i'd really appreciate it, thank you

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  Hi konkreetgurl, welcome! Hopefully, you will find some answers to your questions here, and while some posts are very anti-jw, most are pretty insightful...and that's coming from an active jw.

  And I agree that it's best not to tell your jw friend that you visit here. He/she will automatically classify the info here as not worthy of your consideration.

  Rather than actually being a cult, some experts consider the jws a "high control group". Whatever the case, your interest in this site is much appreciated. I hope you derive some benefit by visiting here. Best wishes!
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  Kind of Depressed, Looking for Someone to Talk to

  by Reborn2002 in

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  some of you on this board know me, or at least part of my story, very likely most of you do not.. i am a 21 yr old male from chicago who finally mustered the courage to da myself roughly 6 months ago.

  being a 3rd-generation jw, my grandfather was an elder 45 years, so this developed a reputation and precedence for me that i would one day be a co.. or go to bethel.

  such high expectations, which i am happy i never fulfilled.

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  Reborn, I can understand how you feel. I also noticed how your family attacked you personally instead of considering the evidence you had to present.
  Hang in there, and as severla of the posters here mentioned, you will find friends and love in your life.
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  Did The Generation Change Silence Apostates?

  by Englishman in

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  here is a paragraph from the1997 august 1st.watchtower re the generation change:.

  "recently, 'the faithful and discreet slave' has helped us to refine our understanding of the term 'generation' used at matthew 24:34 and of the timing of the judgment of 'the sheep' and 'the goats' mentioned at matthew 25:31-46, as well as of our view toward certain types of civilian service.

  no doubt some apostates would have been delighted if many of jehovah's witnesses had stuck rigidly to the previous understanding of such subjects and refused to progress.

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  Gumby, I agree, it does appear indeed that the loyalty referred to hear is to the FDS, although they, of course, would have jws believe that the loyalty is to God.

  And in the 5 yrs since that article was published, what has occured? The figures show decreases in many lands now. Many jws have been missing meetings on a regular basis. Many are still confused over the whole generation teaching in the first place and know that the "refinement" was simply a ruse to make the FDS appear progressive in its understanding of the Bible when indeed it was simply wrong, period. Many jws feel, I am sure, that in effect, the rug was pulled out under them, since they were taught for so many years to believe that the end would arrive within a certain time frame. They built their lives around such teachings, and then, oops! it turns out that "refinement" was needed.
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  Let me introduce myself

  by blindfool in

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  ok, todays the day i introduce myself.

  i've been reading.

  as a "lurker" for a couple of months.

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  Welcome blindfool (odd screen name, you hardly seem like a blind fool, instead, you are checking things out for yourself). I read your story with interest; I'll look forward to hearing more from you. You started out here the same way I did - some months of lurking, them entering the fray, lol. Welcome!