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  So..You donate your money, and then you have to pay intrest on it??!!

  by Lady Liberty in

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  good morning everyone "happy thursday!!",.

  just reading another thread, and it made me think of a question i could never answer as a jw.

  how is it that when your hall wants to build, you recieve the "loan" from the society, but then you have to pay the loan back with intrest??!!.

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  I'm not sure how the loan process works. Maybe someone in the know can help us here. Does the Society keep the money in a bank and the loan then comes from the bank? With this method, the interest would be paid to the bank.
  
  I can't believe they would do that however.
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  If Evolution were untrue

  by badboy in

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  if evolution were untrue, how come genetic studies point to an african.

  origin.eg it has been worked that the vesikela khung!

  who live in the western caprivi area of namibia had the oldest 'male lines' in the world(119,000 years approxiametly).. compare that to the approxiametly 6,000 years claimed by watchtower!.

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  why?
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  What didn't you do because you were a JW that you now regret?

  by jwfacts in

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  2. experiences

  i just bought a bottle of wine for an exjw's 30th that i am about to run off to.

  on it there was a great quote by mark twain:.

  "twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn't do than by the ones you did do... explore.

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  Nothing. My life is like the a tree. All the things that have happened in the past have led me to this point, typing these words into my computer. Without the bottom of the tree supporting me, I wouldn't be here.
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  Is Atheism the Path to True Spirituality?

  by nvrgnbk in

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  mavie

  Great post as always James.

  An author by the name of Stephen Batchelor has helped me understand this concept clearly. He is writing from a 'Buddhist' perspective, but don't let that fool you. His writing is not bound to any extrinsic religious dogma.

  http://www.amazon.com/Buddhism-without-Beliefs-Stephen-Batchelor/dp/1573226564/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/105-3174518-8381236?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1182026850&sr=8-1

  http://www.amazon.com/Living-Devil-Stephen-Batchelor/dp/1594480877/ref=pd_bbs_sr_3/105-3174518-8381236?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1182026850&sr=8-3
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  Revolution vs. Evolution

  by IP_SEC in

  1. social
  2. current

  social not biological.. i've been thinking about the differences between revolution and evolution but i cant understand why they are different.. example: religion.

  revolution: communist revolution ended religion in eastern europe.. evolution: our society is slowly changing to a less religious people.. revolution: usually violent and not permanent.

  evolution: non violent (though there can be conflict involved) long lasting, usually a permanent change.. .

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  Generally speaking, I would say the difference is the timescales involved.
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  calling Bethel as activism

  by Shawn10538 in

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  i think it would be great if the members of this forum would regularly call the society and waste their time with foolish and not so foolish questions.

  i think this can be a great way to expose witnesses to subversive thoughts.

  for example, i call the farm 845-744-6000, and say, "my question is about why the wt is an ngo of the united nations.

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  Please never harass. Also, if you decide to record the conversation make sure it's legal in the states involved.
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  Hear Fred Franz talk about 1975 -- Feb 10th, 1975

  by mavie in

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  2. friends

  http://www.sendspace.com/file/52keip.

  he builds up to it around minute 38.. .

  edited to make link clickable ~ scully.

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  bttt
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  Hear Fred Franz talk about 1975 -- Feb 10th, 1975

  by mavie in

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  2. friends

  http://www.sendspace.com/file/52keip.

  he builds up to it around minute 38.. .

  edited to make link clickable ~ scully.

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  To summarize this talk:
  
  1.) Ties the end of this system with the 6,000th year of the seventh creative day.
  
  2.) Specifically tells members to not raise a family.
  
  3.) Specifically tells members not to waste time pursuing an education or career.
  
  4.) Uses so much doublespeak and fear-mongering it's hard to listen. I think I heard him repeatedly bang the podium with his hand when he really wanted to make a point.
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  Hear Fred Franz talk about 1975 -- Feb 10th, 1975

  by mavie in

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  http://www.sendspace.com/file/52keip.

  he builds up to it around minute 38.. .

  edited to make link clickable ~ scully.

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  Thank you Undercover.
  
  In addition to your comments, I'd like to add the fact that Franz still links the 6,000th year of the six creative day with the end of this system. He just doesn't know when that will happen as the time between the creation of Adam, his naming the animals, and Eve is not specified in the Bible. Why is this important? It shows that 1975 *was* seen as the end of this system before this contingency plan about Eve is mentioned.
  
  Shame on Franz for telling people to not raise a family or go to college while the Society continues to acquire property and wealth.
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  Hear Fred Franz talk about 1975 -- Feb 10th, 1975

  by mavie in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  http://www.sendspace.com/file/52keip.

  he builds up to it around minute 38.. .

  edited to make link clickable ~ scully.

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  cabisalis, please expand on this. I downloaded this from a place which asserts this talk as proof the Society did not promote the year 1975 as the end of this system.
  
  Thank you for making it clickable. I hope to share more in the future.