ahah!
LOL
Edited by - FRED HALL on 22 March 2001 15:41:40
Edited by - ICHING on 22 March 2001 15:47:44
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Edited by - Deacon on 22 March 2001 20:53:59
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I-CHING, U-CHING, We ALL-CHING, CHING
by Farkel inin a post below i noticed that your posted was edited twice:.
: i hope this helps you make your decision.. :i-ching.
: edited by - fred hall on 22 march 2001 15:41:40. : edited by - iching on 22 march 2001 15:47:44. care to explain what happened here?
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Reasons and Questions....
by Deacon ini read very carefully isp and farkels's comments regarding why people stay/leave the organisation.
in writing that sentence, im very aware of the influence of being a member from childhood....41 years worth, behind me.. both contributors made excellent informative points from their singular perspective, although opposite in view, the parallel was on the same axis, therefore just extremes of the same understanding, sort of left and right of the same line so to speak....but it made sense to me and gave me time to think about reasons..... i am still a jehovahs witness.
no, i dont go to meetings, no i dont go out in the ministry, no i dont associate with other jw's....but the upbringing, the regimentation, the responsibilities, the mental regulating of 41 years has coded me to think, react and do in accordance with the actions of being a jw..... this is something that will take a long time, if ever to remove, and its a hard job deciding what needs to be removed, not all of the training was bad.. i still believe in jehovah.
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Ok..you can have your present today....
(fast learning husband class)
Edited by - Deacon on 16 March 2001 23:23:4
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Reasons and Questions....
by Deacon ini read very carefully isp and farkels's comments regarding why people stay/leave the organisation.
in writing that sentence, im very aware of the influence of being a member from childhood....41 years worth, behind me.. both contributors made excellent informative points from their singular perspective, although opposite in view, the parallel was on the same axis, therefore just extremes of the same understanding, sort of left and right of the same line so to speak....but it made sense to me and gave me time to think about reasons..... i am still a jehovahs witness.
no, i dont go to meetings, no i dont go out in the ministry, no i dont associate with other jw's....but the upbringing, the regimentation, the responsibilities, the mental regulating of 41 years has coded me to think, react and do in accordance with the actions of being a jw..... this is something that will take a long time, if ever to remove, and its a hard job deciding what needs to be removed, not all of the training was bad.. i still believe in jehovah.
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one other thing. Its my wifes birthday today. Both of us skirted round the issue...sort of a brief hug etc...the indoctrination goes deep for both of us...
But anyway..I just want to say honey that Ill buy you a present another day..not on your birthday....LOL
But any day of the week, i love you to pieces...and thank you for being my wife...XXXXX
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Reasons and Questions....
by Deacon ini read very carefully isp and farkels's comments regarding why people stay/leave the organisation.
in writing that sentence, im very aware of the influence of being a member from childhood....41 years worth, behind me.. both contributors made excellent informative points from their singular perspective, although opposite in view, the parallel was on the same axis, therefore just extremes of the same understanding, sort of left and right of the same line so to speak....but it made sense to me and gave me time to think about reasons..... i am still a jehovahs witness.
no, i dont go to meetings, no i dont go out in the ministry, no i dont associate with other jw's....but the upbringing, the regimentation, the responsibilities, the mental regulating of 41 years has coded me to think, react and do in accordance with the actions of being a jw..... this is something that will take a long time, if ever to remove, and its a hard job deciding what needs to be removed, not all of the training was bad.. i still believe in jehovah.
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I read very carefully ISP and Farkels's comments regarding why people stay/leave the Organisation. In writing that sentence, Im very aware of the influence of being a member from childhood....41 years worth, behind me.
Both contributors made excellent informative points from their singular perspective, although opposite in view, the parallel was on the same axis, therefore just extremes of the same understanding, sort of left and right of the same line so to speak....but it made sense to me and gave me time to think about reasons....
I am STILL a Jehovahs Witness. No, I dont go to meetings, No I dont go out in the ministry, no I dont associate with other JW's....but the upbringing, the regimentation, the responsibilities, the mental regulating of 41 years has coded me to think, react and do in accordance with the actions of being a JW....
This is something that will take a long time, if ever to remove, and its a hard job deciding what needs to be removed, not all of the training was bad.
I still believe in Jehovah. I still believe in an earthly paradise, I still believe in biblical standards regarding morals, I still believe in a people for his name....
Im not sure about when, Im less than convinced about the anointed, it would seem unlikely that so many false hopes, so many misleadings over the past 100 years would have been allowed by a creator....so much lack of humility collectively by the GB....so much power play....the change in direction re generation in '95 blew me away...but it wasnt unexpected...lots of other things too, but we all have our private thoughts on certain matters...
I stayed for such a long time because of the book of Jude...I believed it wholeheartedly, I saw evidence of it, and consequently TOTALLY DISMISSED all negative thoughts for 38 years re: whether it all made sense or not...and I would not have left even now except for circumstances....and taking advantage of that circumstance, I made a decision to dissapear from the scene.
Im on my own now..away from the influence and conscience of JW's...but not free from my upbringing...I still pray to Jehovah, daily for guidance as to what to do..I pray for direction as to where to go for spiritual sustenance, I still worry about the future..armageddon and all that...I still feel that the moral code has to be applied, but I no longer have an opinion on others consciences about it...
I cant sit here and use terms like "the borg" comfortably...I have respect for the integrity of the people and the beliefs they hold...but I dont have to agree or fight them.
I no longer am sure as to the biblical interpretion of blood tranfusions...but Im fairly comfortable that what I decide to do would be done with a God oriented conscience...be it right or wrong in others eyes....he has to judge me on that anyway...
And finally...it would be true to say that I dont know if Ive made the right decision in leaving.....my faith is that he will direct me...forward...or back...either way, there doesnt seem to be a wrong choice for where Im at....
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Knorr and the Masonic Temple
by Kent inknorr and the masonic temple.
what went wrong with the masons?.
in 1950 they were in favour with the org but by the 70's they were part of b the g.. who decided and when.. "presidential visit to northern south america".
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Did you hear about the dyslexic pimp who bought a warehouse?
LOL
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Fat Men with Beards are Unclean
by ozziepost inhave you noticed how illustrations in the watchtower magazine reinforce witness stereotypes?.
the april 15 issue of the watchtower, on the back page, shows a man viewing pornographic material on his computer screen.
the appearance is not of a cleancut man with business shirt and tie in this case; no, this unclean man is portly and has a black beard.
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Portly sounds so much better than fat...
sigh, I wonder if he was treated like a leper during the photoshoot..so hard for Witnesses to be unaffected by physical appearance....I went to one assembly in 1996 with a beard...I was a brother in good standing, whatever that is, and was the only one of 3000 stopped and asked questions of...when I asked the attendant why he stopped me, the beard perhaps?.. he got annoyed and blustered and walked away...bugger...
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Waiting...
There are very few places left for people who have a hurt deep within them, to escape to for short periods of time. This board provides the medium for interchange and encouragent, and dang it...somewhere to be goofy for a while to let go of all the imposed restrictions that have been felt by ex and current members of the JW's.
Now, as for the conversations that go on from time to time within the chat facility....the content is usually determined by the members using it at the current time of being there...if an individual does not like the content, then they have the choice to leave.
Now, do I like discussions about sexual perversions and practices? no...and therefore I chose to not enter into the discussion...
This is a discussion board..people discuss things and we have NO control over it..Simon does and he chooses to let it continue as is. End of story.
Now on a side note. I have no idea as to the reasoning behind your post above, the denigration of professional status for named members etc...I have no understanding of why you posted that except....for those of us in the field of human behaviour....we actually do understand the deeper problems you have experienced, and are exhibiting traits still of...
Stop the attacks, stop the criticisms....you only change peoples opinions by the amount of love you can show them, not by harsh words or force...a persons mind changed against their will is a person of the same opinion still.....
The context of the conversation was amplified by your own experiences....
should you choose to see this as an attack on you personally..then you would be very wrong....
Deacon (not ISP class)
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Guess what *I* just got called?
by LDH intalking to my cousin just now, she has been inactive for years.... she told me she just started going back to the meetings, hard!!!
i asked her a one-word question--"why?".
she immediately flipped out on me, and said because she doesn't want to be responsible for her children's death at armageddon (of course).
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LDH.. your a dirty filthy apostate....and I cant have anything more to do with you.
er.....6 o'clock still on for drinks at the casino?
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Tangerine....yup..
Blackpool...waaay down there...waaay
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Paradise earth or heaven?
by Pathofthorns init has been said to me "what other organization offers a hope of a paradise earth?
" to "prove" that witnesses have the "truth".. it seems to me that this "spiritual materialism" and the inability to see beyond the physical and fleshly world draw many to become and remain witnesses.. as for me, i fail to see such a fleshly reward set out in scripture and more so i cannot possibly see how anything fleshly could live forever in a problem-free environment.. everything fleshly and physical is temporary and changing.
nothing lives forever.
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hate to admit it Path...but Im waaaaaaaaaaaaay ahead on you with this thought pattern...been thinking it for 20 some years...
so now you see why I would never discuss these things....a lot to lose ..even if it is only wishful thinking...your bro.