Funkyd- thanks for the links, i will check them out, haven`t yet, but i still think evolution is just a load of boffins giving their opinions, and i find the subject quite boring.
Stevenyc- show me one thing that is still evolving?
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537evolution or creation? lets talk...
by Sam87 inok, lets have a discussion about where we all came from, evolution or creation?
(or whatever you beleive in of course) every one put down there main reasons, along with reasonable facts and backup as to why.. .
hopefully this doesnt start to many arguments, lol.. .
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evolution or creation? lets talk...
by Sam87 inok, lets have a discussion about where we all came from, evolution or creation?
(or whatever you beleive in of course) every one put down there main reasons, along with reasonable facts and backup as to why.. .
hopefully this doesnt start to many arguments, lol.. .
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Abaddon- first of all i am not playing the `dumb` card, but i hate it when science boffs quote stuff which the average person doesn`t have a clue about. Whether they are trying to impress others with their `intellectual` mind comes into question. After believing in creation for all my life, and not ever contemplating evolution, i admit i don`t know a lot about it, but why should all my assumptions be false? Another example of dogmatism if you ask me! Okay, give me one example of something that is still evolving, as i don`t know one? Also, i actually agree with the `creative myth` that women are `unclean` while menstruating. Well, i`ll put that in laymans terms, women need a break from sex during that time of the month, but selfish men don`t see it that way. I am not that thick that i don`t understand the difference between evolution and creation, just would like to see evidence of it, not just quotes from boffins.
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The Impact of this Discussion Board in your Present Life
by The wanderer in<!-- .style1 { font-family: arial, sans-serif; color: #0000cc; } .style2 { font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; } .style3 {font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; font-style: italic; } .style6 {font-family: arial, sans-serif; color: #0000cc; font-size: 14px; } --> the impact of this discussion board in your present life from time to time that question comes into my heart .
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evolution or creation? lets talk...
by Sam87 inok, lets have a discussion about where we all came from, evolution or creation?
(or whatever you beleive in of course) every one put down there main reasons, along with reasonable facts and backup as to why.. .
hopefully this doesnt start to many arguments, lol.. .
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I`ve noticed that people that believe in evolution are really dogmatic about it. To be quite honest with you i find evolution a complicated subject and don`t understand all the `big` words as i am not a scientist, and prefer laymans terms. I tend to agree with whyizit, if we are supposed to have evolved, why aren`t we or any other species still evolving? Simple question.
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The Impact of this Discussion Board in your Present Life
by The wanderer in<!-- .style1 { font-family: arial, sans-serif; color: #0000cc; } .style2 { font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; } .style3 {font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; font-style: italic; } .style6 {font-family: arial, sans-serif; color: #0000cc; font-size: 14px; } --> the impact of this discussion board in your present life from time to time that question comes into my heart .
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I survived for 4 years without any help from any ex sites or people, and it was hard. It has educated me and helped free me from my guilt about leaving the org. It has confirmed a lot of things that i thought were wrong in the org. The impact that it has had on my life- i still can`t believe that there are so many ex`s out there who feel the same way as i do, and it is very encouraging that we have had some elders come on and show that they too are having major doubts, and want out. (not all of them are bad!) I do find it can be addictive too, but i think it`s because we know we can come here and be with likeminded people, which confirms that we are not going mad, or that we are evil, just imperfect human beings trying to survive the aftermath of a cult.
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After you left JWs how did you work out what you believe now
by awol ini left jws 10 yrs ago and have just considered myself drifted.
never df'd.
could never go back as i personally found it too hard to live up to.
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awol- i would probably still be in the org if i hadn`t been d/f as i believed it was all true. I was out for 4 years feeling guilty, but then having my own reasons for not wanting to go back. I then started looking on the internet, and found this site, (for a while i didn`t realise that this was more for ex`s or faders) so didn`t come on here. Then i started to learn, read some books, which really helped me to move on and realise that it was all a lie. One thing i wished i`d done was study the history of the jw`s before i studied the bible with them, but i was sucked in at a questioning time of my life, and they seemed to have all the answers. Now i don`t know what i believe, i`m even questioning if there is a god, as have heard some pretty good arguments against. It can pull the rug out from under your feet, i envy ones that d/a as they at least reasoned why it wasn`t true and left under their own terms. I take each day as it comes now, try to be a good person, try to enjoy life as much as i can, but am no wiser as to what it`s all about. I do freak out sometimes when i think about death, as i really believed the live forever syndrome, i hope there is some kind of afterlife. I do think there is some spirit life out there, good and bad, so maybe their is a god, or i prefer `creator`.
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Need advice - marriage in crisis
by truthseeker ini've been a member of this forum for a while now.
i need some advice.
i can't say too much about myself because i'm still an active witness, though not by choice.. my marriage is in trouble and the one thing that causes it is being a member of jehovah's witnesses.. i was born and raised in the truth like so many others here.
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AK - jeff I wasn`t allowed to leave my mate, and he was continually opposed and in the end i left as i couldn`t take anymore, after 25 years. I lasted 2 years on my own, and then had enough of the life and got d/f. When you split up, it is only a matter of time before either one will commits adultery (usually), as it`s only human to want to be loved. I agree with what Lovesdubs says, it`s not easy on your own.
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Question: Demons
by ladybug25 ingrowing up, i remember hearing stories from my own parents and others in the congregation about experiences with demons.
sister x wore a t-shirt that she purchased at a second hand store and the demons attached themselves to the shirt and gave her problems.
certain movies and/or cds would give a family problems.
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Jeffro- i didn`t say i cast doubts about someone else`s experience, (altho` it does sound a bit far fetched), i was just thinking of the practical side of someone walking behind 2 vicous cats. The other thing is, i wasn`t `thrilled` about my experiences at all, i was `freaked` out, and didn`t enjoy it!
Dansk- i`m blushing!
As much as the arguments you `unbeliever`s` give, have you thought that you could be in denial of another spirit life, after all you can`t prove that it doesn`t exist. Also any of you that are interested to know if there is a spirit world, watch `Haunted Homes`, it shows you example`s of ghost`s etc. there was a good one on last night, they said it was the scariest one they have come accross, chairs were moving on their own, and it was very spooky!
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Need advice - marriage in crisis
by truthseeker ini've been a member of this forum for a while now.
i need some advice.
i can't say too much about myself because i'm still an active witness, though not by choice.. my marriage is in trouble and the one thing that causes it is being a member of jehovah's witnesses.. i was born and raised in the truth like so many others here.
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If i leave the religion, there is a good chance my wife will leave me and take our child`
This is what i can`t understand, just because you don`t want the religion anymore, why has she got the right to leave you? I had to suffer 25 years with an unbelieving husband, so i don`t see the why these partners of ones that want to get out of this false religion should be able to leave. Surely it`s the same rule for these ones? One piece of advise i can offer you, is let her see your example, and as long as you treat her well, she might stop and think about it. Sometimes it`s what`s not said has more power.
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$h*T happens
by purplesofa ini never knew if i was getting attacked by satan because i was doing good.. or if jehovah was allowing me to be tested by satan.
if i was reaping what i had sown.
if it was times and unforeseen occurances.. if i was really not going to have more put on me than i could bare.
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purplesofa- i always wondered about that, i used to comfort myself by saying that it was satan testing me, as i knew i was doing the right thing. Trouble is, nothing ever went right for me, it was continual suffering. I got so sick of it, in the end i got d/f as i couldn`t take the strain of trying to live a perfect life with an imperfect body, as that is what the wts expected us to do..