i never realized rutherford was so devious and delinquent.
just found this on a debate forum: .
1) forgery:after c.t.
Many old timers (both Bible Students and JWs) are aware of those three points, especially Bible Students. When these serious issues are presented to younger generation JWs, they don't care. Now, if you could wrap those facts up in a GB produced video and slap a JW.org logo on it, the kiddies would eat it up. But that aint gonna' happen.
For most old timer JWs I know, including myself, Rutherford was/is an embarrassment to them. His name makes me cringe.
i was an extremely sincere, zealous pioneer.
i really cared about the people in the field.
i thought their lives were in danger.
We have always been able to offer just about any piece of literature we wanted to, as long as it was published by the "Mother" (a.k.a. "Organization"), and as long as it wasn't anything too old (for example: Russell's or Rutherford's books). However, if you wanted to offer only the Bible to householders, it wouldn't be very long before you were questioned about your motives by an elder or an overzealous nosy pioneer sister. Most would be peer pressured into going along with the "suggested" literature offer.
I have often only offered Bibles, certain tracts and brochures. But it is difficult to have a quantity of Bibles and carry them in your service bag. Plus the literature counter only stocks so many at a time.
If you've ever read the old "Kingdom Ministries" from back in the 20's, 30's, and 40's, (called "Bulletin" and "Informant"), it is easy to see how it was all about movement of printed matter. It was even more obvious in those days.
i was an extremely sincere, zealous pioneer.
i really cared about the people in the field.
i thought their lives were in danger.
The literature placement has always seemed very random to me. Makes sense now that it would simply be stock movement. Not surprising.
Zoos, this page gives some additional information on how the Org has changed the belief in the resurrection back and forth over the years. http://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/resurrection.php
i hope you're all doing well.. i haven't written for a while, my previous screen name was objectivetruth btw.
i look forward to resuming some good conversations with my jw.com family.. i haven't been active much of late, however a topic that i have continued to consider & study is modern day israel & the early watchtower's teachings on this topic.. this is part 1 - i'll post multiple posts, to help readers follow my train of thought.. first i'll cover the teachings and overall belief's of the watchtower on the jew's , israel, and god's plan for the jew's.. i've read a lot of the early publications.
the 2 most insightful publications, for me to read were (links to the book's in pdf format highlighted in blue) :.
i was an extremely sincere, zealous pioneer.
i really cared about the people in the field.
i thought their lives were in danger.
i've noted active, devoted jw's state the above.. and, it's not a problem for me to remain trusting of god, i just don't trust religions or men.. recently, a member of this forum stated that he remains an active jw, in the family of god's people, wanting to encourage and do good - whilst recognising that the pastoral leaders (the gb) have shipwrecked the faith of many, being unsound scripturally etc, etc.. stop and think about this - the bible says to not follow after those who lie and hurt the faith of "little ones".. the pharisees were accused of traversing over lands and expending much energy to make a single convert - only for that convert to end up worse of than he started off with.. it's one thing to not believe this is the 'truth' and feeling the awful pressure of managing ones life, trying not to lose ones family.. it's quite another thing to declare oneself to be a christian believer of god's jw household, and somehow believe the god of love would use corrupt liars to parade as jesus' brothers in the urgency of last days.
really?
and, to then visibly promote faith in corrupt men, and try to bring converts into a place where the rulership is wrong.. some of us are dying from hurt here.......give me a break..
When I was young, a relative told me that when I see things go wrong, and not get corrected in a humble manner within the organization, and when those in leadership start becoming slave masters wanting people to notice their works, then I should look to Jehovah and Jesus.
When I dropped my rose colored glasses, I began to see that my relative's words were wise and made more sense then than they did back when first stated.
I was born in the Org., so it took longer for me to see things as they really were. I am still active. I don't have faith in the leadership as I did when I was a kid many years ago.
Because they hated knowledge, and they did not choose to fear Jehovah. They refused my advice; they disrespected all my reproof. So they will bear the consequences of their way, and they will be glutted with their own counsel. (Proverbs 1:29-31)
i have a customer who's son is a jehovah's witness.
he was disfellowshipped over a year ago.
this is the second time he's been disfellowshipped.
I've seen so many drunk elders it's not even funny. One was DF'd after nearly 30 years of the problem being known by the other elders.
Another elder died of cirrhosis of the liver. He and his wife would buy beer by the case almost daily. He also sat on a JC to disfellowship others for doing the same thing him and his wife did. No one ever wanted to talk to him because of his alcohol breath.
out of curiosity, i have caught a glimpse or two of the "drama" style videos.
are the ones in these televised "dramas" jw's or did they hire actors for the job?
i can't see the average jw being able to do acting as good (if you will call it good) as some of these people.
so now with the saturday viewing of videos at the kh there's pressure to be at the kh to see the gb do their thing.
this week's thing of course is beg for more money.
also they are meeting to practice singing the new songs when no new videos are out.
i have a customer who's son is a jehovah's witness.
he was disfellowshipped over a year ago.
this is the second time he's been disfellowshipped.
