Posts by rassillon

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AIDS/HIV, Watchtower, and Frontline

by cyberguy in

jw
friends

when i was in the jw-office, working at circuit and district conventions, there was a real scare/effort to baptize those with aids/hiv after everyone else was finished.

i can understand this safeguard, but the wts position on this in the us and the western world, is that it is primary a gay disease (most infected that i knew, wanting to be baptized as jws, were not gay but former drug addicts, sharing needles).

their view is, gods punishment on a debauched lifestyle!.

rassillon

::JoeSinclair:: Regarding your guidance

I choose to view it as a choice because as I said, "I have seen no conclusive evidence" and I still haven't. The article, though interesting, still is no more than a theory. You failed address my "conclusive" clause in my "argument" as you called it, therefor you have a poorly formed response.

Oh, yeah, BTW I was actually just trying to inject a little humor and wasn't really trying to make an argument for or against a particular cause of homosexuality.

Thanks for jumping on an off handed comment and implying I make poor arguments! You ROCK!!!..................<-------that is sarcasm BTW.

::leolaia::

Even though I contribute, I hear you.

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AIDS/HIV, Watchtower, and Frontline

by cyberguy in

jw
friends

when i was in the jw-office, working at circuit and district conventions, there was a real scare/effort to baptize those with aids/hiv after everyone else was finished.

i can understand this safeguard, but the wts position on this in the us and the western world, is that it is primary a gay disease (most infected that i knew, wanting to be baptized as jws, were not gay but former drug addicts, sharing needles).

their view is, gods punishment on a debauched lifestyle!.

rassillon

Bstndance,

I hope you don't take this as an attack on you because it is not. How you live your life is completely up to you and none of my business as long as it does not affect me. If you are happy then I am happy for you.

If you knew me you would know that I am very opinionated BUT balanced person.

It is a fact that if you have unprotected sex with someone with HIV you are more likely to contract HIV/AIDS than if you did not have unprotected sex. If that is not a consequence then I don't know what is.

It is like saying that if I touch a hot stove I am more likely to get burned than if I did not. That is a consequence.

You can "FEEL" as though this is not the case but feelings to not equate to facts.

:That said, I'm not going to continue reading this post. ; You are entitled to your opinion. ; Yes, acceptance is part of the world

: agenda; but, why should I accept anyone that believes I deserve a fatal illness based on the sex I am genetically programmed to be attracted

:to?

Here you go way off line and imply that I said this, that you deserve something because of your genetics. That is FALSE and misrepresentitive. This is another case of trying to change the focus from facts to incindary comments.

1.) If you want to be accepted despite your sexual choice then you have an obligation to accept others despite their feelings on the matter or you are a hypocrite.

2.) I feel that the result of someones action is reasonable because they knowingly took part in a risky behavior, even if that result is dire.

Try going bunjee(sp?) jumping without signing a waiver that says if you die, tough luck. It won't happen.

Now you believe that you are genetically programmed to like other men? I don't know? I have seen no conclusive evidence to say so. If you say this because you "feel" this is so, well, we all know how scientific feelings are. Also, if you believe this, do you also believe in evoloution? Would this make you and your particular evolved branch more or less likely to survive? Are you developing a new way to have offspring?

I know that you may get offended by what I have said, please don't, please just look at it as someone with a different opinion who respects you for yours.

Regards.

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AIDS/HIV, Watchtower, and Frontline

by cyberguy in

jw
friends

when i was in the jw-office, working at circuit and district conventions, there was a real scare/effort to baptize those with aids/hiv after everyone else was finished.

i can understand this safeguard, but the wts position on this in the us and the western world, is that it is primary a gay disease (most infected that i knew, wanting to be baptized as jws, were not gay but former drug addicts, sharing needles).

their view is, gods punishment on a debauched lifestyle!.

rassillon

WC & Gregor

It is a sad fact that everyone wants to be accepted no matter what they do but become hypocrites when it comes to accepting someone who does not agree with them.

The rule should be if you think everyone should be accepted, accept them no matter what they say.

But this just doesn't fit in with the "Homosexual Agenda", Yep I said it.

::I edited this because I submitted too soon. People have to accept the facts that everything has some sort of reprecussion. Is if always fair, no, but sometimes it is. AIDS is a big reason I did not screw every (hot) girl I saw. of the I think everybody should be accepted unless you don't accept me class.

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"My Dad is Watching Pornography" JW TEEN part 2. BAD!

by Dune in

for those who are not familiar with the story heres the page.

so just to sum it up a bit, this girl caught her dad watching porn, told me about it and then talk about ways to get him to stop watching it.

apparently she never told the elders and apparently he stopped watching porn.

rassillon

Big F**kin deal, let her get mad. You need to look at what is important here.

Tell her that if she does not do it you WILL. Period. Think about the other girl.

If she is going to have any chance to recover and lead a halfway decent life she needs to get help.

And that just won't happen if it is kept quiet.

You will learn when you grow up that people get mad and they can also get glad and people don't always have perspective or know what is best.

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"My Dad is Watching Pornography" JW TEEN part 2. BAD!

by Dune in

for those who are not familiar with the story heres the page.

so just to sum it up a bit, this girl caught her dad watching porn, told me about it and then talk about ways to get him to stop watching it.

apparently she never told the elders and apparently he stopped watching porn.

rassillon

I would call the police my damn self !

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If you had the chance who would you meet from this forum???

by Es in

jw
friends

there are just so many i would love to meet, some more attainable than others.. sparkplug.

misspeaches.

damselfly.

rassillon

Well I am a relative newbie, that is I lurked long before joining.

So I know more about many of you than you know about me.

Anyway I would like to meet most of you, especially if you are not bitter.

I can imagine my meeting some and quoting the Isrealite off of the bible drama tapes, "this [Apostate] is bitter"

I would like to meet AlanF, already talked to him by phone, great guy.

I would also like to meet scholar, I don't know if I would just end up laughing cause he is a retard, or if I would beat the crap out of him because of him being obnoxious?? We will probably never know.

Where two or three of you meet "my" spirit will be there. (especially if there is beer!)

-

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DATING 101: Dating Interacially and my opposite: Will it Work Out?

by stillAwitness in

so me and the guy i've been dating finally became offical since last night and its the first time in almost a year since i have been in a relationship.

and for once, i think i may have a winner.

but he is white...and 32...and plays the african drums..and teaches some weird dance in a school for kids having to do with cuban tribal dances..or something or other.

rassillon

StillA,

I am a 30ish honkey who is married to a black chick. Have been so for getting close to 10 years, married that is, I have been a honkey all my life.

I am not hippieish though, I was born in the country, raised admidst a lot of white people who ran the gamit(sp?) from really racist to not at all. This up until I was mid-teen. My parents raised me to not be prejudice at all. Which I am not. Then I became real close friends with family from JA. In some ways they are closer than my own family. I grew up pretty well balanced, and am sort of a social chamilion. I can be "white preppy" "white country" "redneck" "black" "seudo-jamaican" whatever. Mostly I am El-Corporate-O at work and just a little childish at home.

My wife is on the dark side, and absolutely gorgeous!

Most of our problems are external. My wife has a hard time with peoples looks and comments, not as much now that I have trained her. I mostly don't hear them cause I don't give a flying F**K what people think. When dating I had problems with her mom being prejudice against me, but after about 5 years she loves me. Mostly cause I make a s**t load of money and make a good husband. All this and her mom is a long time pioneer. My parents love my wife, I think even more than they love me, and so do my siblings. In fact I think all my friends now like her more than they like me. But hey I am pretty much the Token White Guy in my group...can't dance and all! (well, I can a little)

Anyway if this was not enough I really love my wifes B double O T Y!

My wife loves to shop too. I like to be outside.

There are many differences that we have but we do have things in common too, there does need to be something real at the base, but you don't have to be clones to make it work.

My personality lends me to be able to endure crap, hell, half the time I don't even know someone has a problem and it is never anyone I know cause they would get a size 13 straight up the rectum. Wifey on the other hand is delicate and I have to protect and shield her, getting better with time but not the cold hard a**hole that I am.

I say all this to say, if you have something solid, screw what other people think. BUT make sure that you are getting out of the relationship what you need.

peace

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607

by Zico in

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friends

can anyone provide me with any evidence (links to other sites is fine) that jerusalem could not have possibly fallen to the babylonians in 607?

thanks again for your answers.

zico

rassillon

Yo, Alan,

What's up, I can't believe you endure scatter...uh..I mean scholar(?). He is dense as a rock, I guess it gives you guys something to sharpen your swords on.

I forgot to tell you when we spoke a few weeks ago, scholar's brain dead answers were one of the things that opened my eyes.

I stand as an example of yet another loyal honest JW who struck out to prove his belief in 607 was founded on truth and all I found was a retarded morass of circular reasoning. Being one who hates to be wrong, I had a death grip on 607 which was only loosened by being repeatedly beat with the "TRUTH".

Seek the truth and you will find it!

peace

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Who is Robert King

by bob1999 in

i have been reading his work at the e-witness web site.

http://e-jehovahs-witnesses.com/index.php .

he seems to have trouble with some of the wts teachings, yet he seems to still call himself a jw.

rassillon

If I am not mistaken, I seem to remember reading that "his" book plaguerized a book published several years ago on witnesses.

I have read neither, mostly since what I read on his website was self aggrandizing and ones on his board seem to have attached themselves to him. A little to Jim Jonesish for me ;)

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607 bce or 587 bce

by jw in

jerusalem 607 bce vindicated.

why jehovahs witnesses are right for sticking to the bibles chronology of 607 bce for the destruction of jerusalem.

arguments for 587 bce are scripturally flawed, causing four bible prophecies to fail.

rassillon

You know what I don't get,

If ALL the other secular sources for dating in the Neo-Babylonian period are so in error, the HOW can anyone feel comfortable with the secular resources which identify 539 as Babylon's fall?

Here is my take on it, you live in miami florida and you have a friend in New York, New York (bethel even). Your friend sends you a letter and in the letter says that New York is 1200 miles from Miami. Then you buy a book of maps and pick the page with Miami on it but throwing away all the other pages because they show it is 1294 miles instead. You accept that one page as accurate but not the rest.

scholar - I have read a lot of your posts, especially because I was looking for proof for my own belief in the 607 teaching. I can honestly say that it was many of your stupid arguments and failure to honestly address the information presented to you that had a large impact on my rejection of 607. You either have something to gain, are a plant by the WT, are retarded, or are just a plain dumb f**k. Take this how you want, I really don't care. I will not get involved in a flame war between us simply because you are not worth it. I have said my peace and I will let you have the last word if you so choose.

peace out