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  Please don't take offence at this ...

  by Joe Grundy in

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  i'm not a jw, never have been, and in no danger of becoming one.. having read several of the wt mags and publications (and many more extracts on this and other sites) they come across to me as being very patronising in tone and full of pseudo-scholarship, misquoted (or unnamed) sources, references taken out of context, mis-translations, etc.

  i'm aware of jw 'teaching' on the subject of higher education for its members (i.e.

  not a good or necessary thing) so i can understand why many jws raised in it may not challenge the publications.

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  lovelylil

  Hi Joe,

  thats a good question you brought up. I for one was educated prior to being a witness (BA Business Management) and I did see problems in the literature right from the beginning. The elder I studied with down played those issues and told me it was not necessary to believe everything in the magazines. This changed drastically once I got baptized though and it became even more difficult to stay or to even hand out this nonsense at the doors.

  It is my personal experience that some do come in educated, but do not stay long term. Those who become "lifers" are usually from less educated backgrounds.

  Most of the people that accepted studies from me, were of the high school education level, but some below that.

  I hope this helps, this is my experince. I know the WT likes to keep you uneducated so there is something to your observations.

  Have a good day Joe, by the way that is my son's name too (and was my dads) . And I never met a Joe I did not like.
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  What would you do.....

  by delilah in

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  tonight, my son's school put on an opera.

  during the second scene, my son was helping the younger grades to step up onto the stage, and one of the girl's costume got caught on the stairs.

  my son reached out to help her, and the principle appeared, asked what he thought he was doing, and then proceeded to reach out and slap him across the back of the head.

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  lovelylil

  delilah,

  First of all, she had no right to put her hands on your child. That is assault! I would report it to the school superintendant and inform the school's principle that you plan on doing so.

  Also, My son when he was in second grade had a teacher just like that. She was so imature she would get up in the kids face and yell. My son would cry becasue he was very sensitive and also was not used to being treated that way. I went up to the school and made a formal complaint and I told this lady and the school, that if she decided to retaliate by harrassing my child over this issue and my complaint, that I would hit them so hard with a lawsuit that their head will spin.

  Your child deserves to feel safe in school and obviously cannot feel safe the way things are with this teacher. She was totally wrong by jumping to conclusions and by putting her hands on your child. I would DEMAND a meeting right away and tell her you want her to opologize to your son in front of you. I would threaten if I had to, and do anything else I had to, in order for my child to get the repect he deserves.

  I hate it when teachers act like this. My daughter had one this year also and within the first week of school, I went and laid the ground rules. I am sure the school hates me. But I don't care, my kids are not going to be harrassed and be afraid of going to school because they hired some lunatic to teach.

  ARRGH! I am so mad reading this.

  How is your son now?
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  The Watchtower preparing to become Mainstream?

  by lovelylil in

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  i have heard a few active witnesses comment recently about the wt quoting more frequently from sources from other church denominations.

  i know they have done this in the past, but it seems from the rank & file that it is happening even more.. has anyone heard about this trend?

  also, do you think the tower is preparing those in the rank & file to accept new light regarding christendom (such as that they do teach some truth), and how do you think this will affect people?.

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  lovelylil

  I have heard a few active Witnesses comment recently about the WT quoting more frequently from sources from other church denominations. I know they have done this in the past, but it seems from the rank & file that it is happening even more.

  Has anyone heard about this trend? Also, do you think the Tower is preparing those in the rank & file to accept new light regarding Christendom (such as that they do teach some truth), and how do you think this will affect people?

  It seems to me that unless the Tower stops demonizing everyone out there in all other religions, they will never be viewed as mainstream and will continue to level off in growth in most countries? But if they make any change in this area, wouldn't they have to admit they do not possess ALL truth?
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  AMERICAN IDOL SUCKS BIG TIME

  by troubled mind in

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  how in the world did chris get sent home !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  he should have won !

  i am pissed off right now ,ahhhh

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  lovelylil

  OMG, is the audience on crack! What a ripoff. I am so upset. Kat should have been going home, no doubt about it. But here is my theory:

  All the guys voted for pretty Kat and the girls votes were split between the three guys. Even with this though, Chris should NOT have had the least votes. I missed it, but what did the judges say? They must have been in shock too.
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  Do JW's believe that in the 1000 yr reign Jesus and the 144,000 will kill?

  by booker-t in

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  i have always been abit confused on this topic when i was a jw.

  during the 1000 year reign do jw's believe that some will be killed by jesus and the 144,000 if they refuse to accept the jw's teaching during the 1000 year reign?

  what if somebody is reserrected during the millieum and just don't wont to study with the survivors of the great tribulation will they be killed instantly or will they have a 1000 years to make up their minds?

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  when people are brought back in the resurrection, all the obstacles that prevented them from accepting the truth will be removed. Which includes spiritual, mental, emotional, false religions, imperfections, all of them. And they will not have to "study" to learn the truth, they just have to want to live under the reign of Christ Jesus. If the WT thinks we will be studying books, they are crazy. God will write his laws on peoples hearts and they will be motivated by love to serve him. It is how true believers are now. They worship God because they want to not because they are forced to. And whereas the WT puts more laws on mankind then the mosaic laws, Christ gave us only two commands to follow: Love you God with your whole heart, mind, strength, and love your nieghbors as yourself.

  So in answer to your question, I personally do not think that thousands will be killed. the only ones who will go to second death are the goats. Meaning willfully stubborn and no matter how much prodding or correcting, they still will not budge to make changes. Most of mankind will make changes and want to live under Christ's reign. Just judging by how he was when he was on earth, can you imagine a more loving, gentile ruler?

  Anyway, this is my opinion.
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  A new urban legend

  by loosie in

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  i just got this in my email.

  has anyone heard this one yet?.

  this is an experience from andre' r_____, overseer, just back from the branch committee course at patterson: in england, one of our blind brothers had a seeing-eye dog that would faithfully guide and take him to the meetings each week.

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  OMG, I am totally puking....................
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  What are you doing to stay healthy ??

  by Genesis in

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  im just wondering about what people of different are doing to stay healthy.

  personally, im into bodybuilding since a couple of months and i love it !

  im eating cleaner than ever (but not as i would like) and exercise 4 days a week.

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  lovelylil

  eat lots of fruits and vegetables, drink lots of water, walk 3 - 5 miles about four times per week.
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  Why do so many show such anger towards JW who post here? What might help?

  by Lady Lee in

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  why do so many of us show such antagonism towards jw who post here?

  we know they won't listen.

  we know how it feels to have religion forced upon us.

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  lovelylil

  What I resent that happens sometimes is if I post anything that may agree with some of the JWs beliefs in any way, then I am told I am still brain-washed and under their mind control. I really hate that. It happend recently when I said I did not believe the trinity. This is a view I have held at least 13 years of my life prior to the JWs. It just happened to agree with the WT, and I dont think all their teachings are wrong. When I stated this, the poster who said I was still brainwashed did not believe what I was saying.

  Recently I started the thread calling "name calling and bullying in the name of religion", Many of us have not learn how to debate in a way that does not resort to trying to tear down and totally humiliate the one with the opposing view. And we still believe there is only one right answer. It is the black/white mentality that we need to change. I don't see any need for this at all.

  We all need to respect everyone else's opinion. We did not like the way the WT dehuminized us by name calling (demonized, apostate, etc) so you think we would learn the lesson and not do the same thing to others.

  I think if it resorts to name calling or similiar tactics, I will just stay out of it in the future.

  Good post LL
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  American Idol ... will Chris win?

  by free2beme in

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  i admit, i watch this show regularly and it is a major discussion in the work space.

  we all think chris is going win and it is his contest to loss at this point.

  although there are a couple of men who like kat.

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  lovelylil

  I do not like kat at all. I think Taylor is very talented but a little too weird for me. And I think he is too old for the young crowd to relate to. I love Chris and he has the best shot of winning. But, I also like Elliot since the beginning. I would say it will come down to chris and elliot. Kat is going home tonight partly because of her mistake last night and becuase she is not even close to the talent of the three guys left.
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  Sagan and anyone who care toreply

  by jw in

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  only intelligent replys.. 2.no big bang replys.. what is your theory on how humans came into existence?

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  lovelylil

  Tea,

  I agree with you. Here are my beliefs in a nutshell,

  The evidence around us is overwelming that their is an intelligence behind all creation. Some say it is God, others ascribe to the intelligent design theory without acknowleging a personal God. To that I say - to each his own. I believe in a personal God.

  I am not a young earth proponent though because there is evidence that the generations listed in the Old Testament is not complete. And sometimes when it says the "son of", it means "grandson of" so this would make mankind older than the few thousand years that some believe. Because I believe there is evidence of this - I personally see no reason to doubt scientists dating of man or the earth.

  Although I believe God made all life, it is hard for me to say there is no evolution. If animals adapt over time to changing environment, that is a form of evolution. But I do not believe life, even if it evolves in some degree came POOF out of nowhere.

  Other evidence of a sort of evolving world is that our universe is still expanding. Scientists can prove this and I cannot refute it.

  What I don't agree with evolutionists on is that animals or anything else evolved from totally different things. For instance some believe man came from a type of alligator looking sea creature. Although man most likely looked different than he does today, he was always a man, made in the image of God. Unless scientists can find the coveted "missing link" they have been searching for, I will stick with my opinion.

  Also, I believe, like the bible states that species reproduce according to their kind.

  I believe science and God can go together. You just have to analyze the evidence without just dismissing it because of a long held belief.