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  Horrible, but didn't make the News

  by ICBehindtheCurtain in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  hi all, i found this on the net, this is really sad.

  i've finally decided that to get the real news about what goes on in the world you have to go outside of the information controlled us news networks.

  humiliation and child abuse at israeli checkpointsstrip-searching childrenby alison weir.

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  under_believer

  A) Management is not equal to ownership, which was your original claim. Nice try, though.
  B) Jew Watch? Nice source. Next you'll be quoting Mein Kampf.
  
  Let's get this out of the way, Satanus: Did the Holocaust really happen?
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  Horrible, but didn't make the News

  by ICBehindtheCurtain in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  hi all, i found this on the net, this is really sad.

  i've finally decided that to get the real news about what goes on in the world you have to go outside of the information controlled us news networks.

  humiliation and child abuse at israeli checkpointsstrip-searching childrenby alison weir.

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  under_believer

  You're the one making the claim. You back it up with facts.
  
  I can tell you one thing, though. American corporations are about one thing: profit. The whole American capitalist system is set up to ensure (and in fact require) that. Media companies produce and publish things that sell advertising or subscriptions. If you perceive a pro-Israel bias in the national media, it's because that is what people buy, not because the hook-nosed, sly, evil caricature you imagine pulling the world's strings is trying to enslave you.
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  Great Just Great

  by unique1 in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  well, since i da'd my parents have shunned me.

  they have however replied to my emails inquiring as to their health and such.

  every few months i send them an email telling them how i am and asking them how they are.

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  under_believer

  /sympathy
  
  I am so sorry for what you are going through. I don't know WHAT I'd do if I was in that situation. Nothing can replace your parents.
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  Ray Franz Comments on Y.M.C.A.

  by compound complex in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  ray franz states that, according to governing body decisions on matters of faith, fault found with certain of a religion's teachings makes said faith, in its totality, unacceptable to god.

  therefore one's association in that religion renders one unclean.

  as a consequence, a jehovah's witness would be disfellowshiped for joining the y.m.c.a.

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  under_believer

  > Who cares what Ray Franz thinks? Think for yourselves people! or should I say sheeple??
  
  Retarded as usual, I see.
  
  I don't see anyone trying to follow him or match his thinking. He's not a spiritual leader and in fact has made many mistakes in his life. It's just that his story makes compelling reading for anyone who wants to know what goes on behind closed doors at Governing Body meetings, and his perspective is completely unique among ex-Witnesses as the highest-placed organizational defector.
  
  So I guess the answer is "I care what he thinks." Caring what he thinks, however, hasn't seemed to be mutually exclusive with thinking for myself.
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  Horrible, but didn't make the News

  by ICBehindtheCurtain in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  hi all, i found this on the net, this is really sad.

  i've finally decided that to get the real news about what goes on in the world you have to go outside of the information controlled us news networks.

  humiliation and child abuse at israeli checkpointsstrip-searching childrenby alison weir.

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  under_believer

  > scammy stuff like the the bone box of james, jesus' brother that
  > reminds american christians of where the cradle of their belief is, get publicity.
  
  I think you might have cause and effect mixed up. I'd say that because the cradle of American Christians' belief is in Israel, scammy stuff like the bone box of James, Jesus brother get publicity.
  
  But nice appeal to "the evil Jews rule the world in a vast conspiracy." Was wondering who would start dragging out that basic tenet of the Nazi belief system.
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  Horrible, but didn't make the News

  by ICBehindtheCurtain in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  hi all, i found this on the net, this is really sad.

  i've finally decided that to get the real news about what goes on in the world you have to go outside of the information controlled us news networks.

  humiliation and child abuse at israeli checkpointsstrip-searching childrenby alison weir.

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  under_believer

  The article is an emotional appeal, not journalism. Real journalism does not include unsourced accusations. Real journalism doesn't take one or two extraordinary experiences and paint them as the norm, extrapolating them out to apply to a broad base of people. Real journalism doesn't try to convince you; it gives you the facts, facts that can be checked, facts that are sourced, and lets you make up your own mind.
  
  I am not saying that what the article describes is untrue, especially the quotes from specific people. But I am saying that taking it at face value is perilous for anyone who wants to employ their critical thinking skills.
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  Do you think that "JW's" will get rid of the "Paradise earth" doctrine?

  by booker-t in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  with all of the changes regarding the 1935 closing of the heavenly calling that jw's taught for over 70 years what will be the next thing to go in their doctrinal system.

  will they one day say"we were wrong the earth is going to burn up and all christians will go to heaven".

  russell was right after all and yes the "great crowd" will indeed go to heaven.nothing suprises me anymore with the jw's.

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  under_believer

  No. Paradise Earth is a central doctrine, the primary carrot the organization has been using for a good part of the last century.
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  WHO ELSE IS GOING TO THE MEMORIAL THIS YEAR???

  by Mary in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  geeze, the memorial to remember your place in the organization jesus christ is next tueday i think.......anyone else getting roped into going besides me?

  i'm trying to talk my brother into going....just so i'm not the only slacker there.

  i know whats going to happen.

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  under_believer

  /sigh
  
  /raises hand
  
  /head down [shamefaced]
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  Are JW's a Cult?

  by PinTail in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

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  under_believer

  I kinda look at them as being a Diet Cult. All of the cult ingredients are there, only less so.
  
  Is Diet Coke Coke? I guess that's a question for the ages.
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  What's the difference between humans and animals if there is no God

  by JH in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  if there is no god, does this make us the most intelligent animal?.

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  under_believer

  > We are the only species on the entire planet, in our entire solar system,
  > in our entire galaxy, in the whole universe with such great potential.
  
  Really?