I have definitely heard of things like this. http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/78640/1.ashx is informative. No way would I touch anything like that with a 10 foot pole.
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When former Witnesses do this, it kind of freaks me out.
by free2beme inokay, this is going to step on someones toes, i just know it.. when i stopped going to the meetings, i was talking a person at the time in the 1990's who had been out for a long time.
i thought it was interesting when he mentioned that he still went to meetings and worshipped jehovah, just not with the watchtower.
so i was wondering what he meant, and one weekend while in california with him and a group function for my employer at the time, he invited me to go a meeting.
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Isn't it a big No-No for Dubs to refer to KH as CHURCH?
by limbogirl inlast saturday i was at my favorite coffee shop with my three year old son -- great place because it has a train table to entertain the kids while mom has some coffee.
first thing i notice is what appears to be dubs but on closer inspection the two daughters look way too trendy to be dubs -- the parents, however, are spot on and were so dubesque i nearly laughed out loud.
so, hanging out having coffee with some other moms and i notice the daughters of the above mentioned family keep smiling at my son.
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I was taught to never call it a church, because those were the dens of evil, Babylonish whorehouses where demons lived. I am not making this up. However, at a certain young age, 8 or so, I realized that there was no other way to refer to my place of worship to people who were not Witnesses. Therefore I called it a church when talking to non-Witnesses and a Kingdom Hall when talking to believers. Yay for a genetically inherited moral flexibility.
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Anger over disfellowshipping
by jambon1 ini have now spoken with a couple of worldly people regarding the practise of disfellowshipping.
having been out of the org for a few months i now feel confident enough to expose the things that i knew were wrong.
d/f was one of the biggest issues i had.
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OMG Amos, are you serious!!! Man if I could find some comments like that in the literature it would just make my day. Though to be honest there are plenty of hypocritical things in there already encouraging people to ask their pastors questions and to investigate other religions.
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What do you consider yourself?
by poodlehead ini have wondered how each of you classifies yourself.
as regards to religion.
this is for my own person interest.
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Oh and #4, trending towards #5 but who knows where I'll end up.
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What do you consider yourself?
by poodlehead ini have wondered how each of you classifies yourself.
as regards to religion.
this is for my own person interest.
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Dido, it's not true. Check at http://biology.clc.uc.edu/courses/bio105/ribs.htm. Men and women have the same number of ribs.
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New blood related cure for Cancer? Would u take it?
by breeze ini heard on radio that a new cure for cancer is coming but it is taken from the white blood cells.... .
this might move th wtbts to change its position?
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This might move th WTBTS to change its position?
I don't see why they would. Blood transfusions already save lives; and they are forbidden. Why would another possible lifesaving use change the doctrine?
And yes. I would take it.
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Watchtower Predictions
by zgborn ini have a vivid recollection of going to people's doors as a teenager and telling them that bible chronology indicates that 6000 years of human history is due to expire in the fall of 1975 and we can fully expect a radical change in the world at about that time.
while i know that this was not the first watchtower prediction which proved to be incorrect, what i would like to know is, has any watchtower prediction of a future event come to pass?
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Mary, also keep in mind that that was back in the 1,200 hours a year days, for pioneering. *shudder* 25 hours a week! And considering the gnat-straining way so many people count time, (i.e. someone "starts the clock" at the first "door,") geez Polly Pioneer, you better not ever get sick!
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I _feel_ rational, so why am I still afraid?
by under_believer ini am at a point in my doubt and recovery process where i feel almost completely agnostic.
i am an empiricist; evidence required, please!
) of what i was taught as a witness has been discarded.
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we are living at the moment in a time of great upheaval, and things going on around us, do seem to fit in with what the WTS are saying. Its crazy whats going on around us, it seems just bizzare to me.
learntoswim, do you really feel, though, that you can make a good case that the upheaval that is going on right now is any greater or crazier or bizzare than events that have happened in the past? Is it really exceptional, or is it just part of the human condition? I don't expect an answer, but thoughts like those remind me that it's not quite as cut-and-dried as the Society likes to make out.
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My conscience
by fullofdoubtnow ineveryone who ever became a jw must have heard the words "bible - trained conscience" many, many times, i probably heard it, and said it, on hundreds of thousands of occasions.
when i first got in trouble with the elders for talking to dedpoet, they told me my bible trained conscience should help me to see what was right.
i haven't heard the term much lately, but i have thought about it a lot, and my conscience still troubles me quite a bit.. don't get me wrong, i am happy to be out of the org and have no thoughts about going back, but i still feel guilty quite often when i do things i would never have considered doing as a jw.
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I'm still in, though inactive from a field ministry standpoint. I wish I was as far out as you. Ironically, though, my conscience gives me no trouble at all about the secret bad stuff I do. Blood donations, talking on this board, looking at porn, enjoying R-rated movies, and getting really really drunk are all things that I do happily and without regret. If we could take your life and my conscience, we could make a whole "worldly person!"
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I _feel_ rational, so why am I still afraid?
by under_believer ini am at a point in my doubt and recovery process where i feel almost completely agnostic.
i am an empiricist; evidence required, please!
) of what i was taught as a witness has been discarded.
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I am at a point in my doubt and recovery process where I feel almost completely agnostic. I am an empiricist; evidence required, please! So most (all?) of what I was taught as a Witness has been discarded. So why is it that whenever I hear someone say, with that "special" glint in their eyes (you know the glint I'm talking about) that we're "deep, deep in the time of the end," I feel this uneasiness? Not necessarily an acceptance of the idea, but just a general sense of unease, a hitch in my thought process that nears but does not completely become the thought "what if they're right? What if we really are deep, deep in the time of the end, and I'm trying to leave Jehovah's Organization?"
In every case, I've been able to shake this thought off and think about all of the supposed "evidence" that the "time of the end" is upon us, realize it's a crock, and move on. But why do I have that momentary fear every time I hear it?
Has anybody else experienced this?