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can we honestly say that holy spirit guides the writing of the kingdom ministry each month?.
can we honestly say that the holy spirit guided the writings of the school guidebooks we have to teach us how to be better speakers when the this same info is has been used by speech coaches and the likes for years as well as being taught in secular school english classes?
As a JW I never considered the school guidebook to be inspired. Neither did I hear the WT make that claim. Or do you know different? I really don’t remember claims like this.
Now looking back, the TMSchool or FS Meetings and Service Meetings seem so bizarre and ever so businesslike. Knorr surly knew what he wanted to accomplish and we faithfully followed.
Actually, this training has helped me in my carrier.
the slave is not greater than the master.. jah the almighty was the first sacrifice as the master, where jesus christ was the second as holy or perfect sacrifices.
jah the almighty had to sacrifice loved ones in order to raise a perfect family in discipline and righteousness.
without rebellion there would be no need for discipline, there was rebellion, therefore need for discipline.. .
777,
are you saying the words you are typing in this forum are written under inspiration? I find that hard to believe, however my convictions are far separate to yours, but that no problem.
After you accepted your anointing and revelation of heaven, do you write down the vision afterwards? Or do you write while visualising them?
The bible was cannoned by the Catholic Church during the great apostasy. Other books or letters where declared as falsehood. Since not everyone will accept your writings as inspired of god, what do you consider the apocryphal writings to be? Are they inspired? Has your attention been directed to the context of these scriptures?
Thank you so much for you replies, I appreciate it.
the slave is not greater than the master.. jah the almighty was the first sacrifice as the master, where jesus christ was the second as holy or perfect sacrifices.
jah the almighty had to sacrifice loved ones in order to raise a perfect family in discipline and righteousness.
without rebellion there would be no need for discipline, there was rebellion, therefore need for discipline.. .
777
sorry, in my last post some pieces were missing, I don’t know why!
I have no interest in challenging the truth of your statements; I always take time to ponder over matters. I always wanted to communicate with a person like you.
True, the NWT is easy to read and understand, yet I find Franze’s work deceptive. Be careful!
Many claim to be guided by spirit(s) like Rutherford, Woodworth also Johannes Greber. Woodworth (WT director) claimed to have battled with demons for not taking JFR’s vows. J. Greber’s medium claimed to be inspired by repentant-fallen-angles in the book “Women and Angels”. Do you think there is any truth in this?
Also, how much time did it take for you and your son to be in the spirit realm? Can I imagine the receiving of your visions to be split seconds, hours or days?
the slave is not greater than the master.. jah the almighty was the first sacrifice as the master, where jesus christ was the second as holy or perfect sacrifices.
jah the almighty had to sacrifice loved ones in order to raise a perfect family in discipline and righteousness.
without rebellion there would be no need for discipline, there was rebellion, therefore need for discipline.. .
I dont know why but I'm having difficulty posting...so i'll try again!
To 777,
Thank you for your reply. I am sure you will understand that it is very difficult for me to agree with you, since you have an outstanding message.
-On account of two witnessed a matter is firmly established-
So I am very happy, if not relieved, to hear your son is of an adult age (in
You are also a special person. How does your family deal with you and your son? Does your son have children? It most be an strenuous and exiting time your family. How does all of this affect them?
I always had difficulty with the WT interpretation of the “two witnesses”. How do you work together with you son? Why do you use the NWT when quoting scripture? Do you understand the WTS to play some unique role in the fulfilment to come?
the slave is not greater than the master.. jah the almighty was the first sacrifice as the master, where jesus christ was the second as holy or perfect sacrifices.
jah the almighty had to sacrifice loved ones in order to raise a perfect family in discipline and righteousness.
without rebellion there would be no need for discipline, there was rebellion, therefore need for discipline.. .
To 777, Thank you for your reply. I am sure you will understand that it is very difficult for me to agree with you, since you have an outstanding message. -On account of two witnessed a matter is firmly established- So I am very happy, if not relieved, to hear your son is of an adult age (in 9/11/2001), since it takes a lot of energy to receive such visions. I was also raised within the JW-community and always wondered how it was for Jesus family to experience him doing miracles, etc… That’s why I find everything about Jesus life interesting. You are also a special person. How does your family deal with you and your son? Does your son have children? It most be an strenuous and exiting time your family. How does all of this affect them? I always had difficulty with the WT interpretation of the “two witnesses”. How do you work together with you son? Why do you use the NWT when quoting scripture? Do you understand the WTS to play some unique role in the fulfilment to come?
the slave is not greater than the master.. jah the almighty was the first sacrifice as the master, where jesus christ was the second as holy or perfect sacrifices.
jah the almighty had to sacrifice loved ones in order to raise a perfect family in discipline and righteousness.
without rebellion there would be no need for discipline, there was rebellion, therefore need for discipline.. .
To 777,
you surly make it an effort to stand up for your faith and I want to respect everyone’s believes. My convictions are not superior to yours, as we are all human.
This is a new experience for me, so I would like to ask you a few questions.
Do you belong to, or have, a congregation/organization?
What is the future for mankind? How are things going to develop? How will all be able to hear your message?
You said: “ In like manner I as the father upon the earth, along with my son, recieved visions and endured what was necessary as the "two witnesses" as two humans…”
Do I understand correctly that you are a father and you have a literal son who receives visions just like you do? I am very interested in this and would like to hear more about your son. What age is your son? Do you have other children? With these outstanding ‘gifts’ how are they treated in school? What method do you use to instruct them? Are they as well-versed in the scriptures as you are?
I look forward to hearing more about your life.
freetosee
comments you will not hear at the april 30, 2006 wt study (march 15, 2006 issue, pages 27-31)(false worship)).
review comments will be in red.
" (matthew 7:23) the now enthroned king, jesus christ, has nothing to do with false religion.. true worshippers--only jws.
Hi barry,
Many years ago as a JW I had a ‘study’ with an SDA member (a wonderful person I actually felt closer to as the brothers in the KH) and he told me they have and use many of the WT publications at there church library. Our difficulty was that I couldn’t go to his meetings neither could he come to mine. My observation so far is, SDA consider attending other churches as an act of false worship. Do you know what the SDA standpoint is on this matter? Thank you.
Only much later did I find out SDA and JW have a common origin in William Miller’s teachings and false predictions.
Regards,
freetosee
"but the same day that lot went out of sodom it rained fire and sulphur from heaven, and destroyed them all.
even thus shall it be on the day when the son of man is revealed.
" ( luke 17: 29, 30 ).
Hi Scout,
I think you’re right. When I left to JW’s I started reading the bible from back to front, some passages using different translations (not NWT), because I wanted to be sure not to fall snare to the devil. I looked up verse-by-verse commentaries and conversed with ‘real’ Christians. And I just can’t honestly deny the destructive massage of a violent merciless God. Some of the passages in Numbers, Samuel and other prophets are disgusting. The shedding of innocent blood is rampant and undeniable when claiming to consider the context. No, the bible does not only contain brutality, one can find beautiful psalms, songs and sermons. The good advice given bubbles forth timeless wisdom. But as you mentioned, some focus on the 'nice' bits of the NT, and try to explain away the OT God who refers to himself as a creator of evil and who dwells in darkness.
I am not an atheist nor am I a worshiper of god. I believe in evolution, being fully aware that it does not answer all questions; neither does it claim to do so. To me human behavior is the greatest proof of evolution. Reading the bible ‘God’s Word’, cannoned by the Catholic Church, in full context is what made me finally loose faith in a loving heavenly Father.
Actually, it all boils down to ‘choice’. Because we are free to choose to put faith in god, free to choose the religion which we (only) believe to be the right one and choose to live by it or not. Faith can, and does, bring people from all over the globe happiness and pace of mind. Christians are surly not the only ones who believe to experience a warm and loving personal relationship with their creator.
I have read much about God’s purpose and plan for mankind and it surpasses the WT outlook and reasoning by far. It gives bible reading a completely new meaning and pleasure. But still it denies the crystal clear context of the scriptures. Which I believe originates with men.
perhaps some of you had to suffer thru the society's latest special talk in which they rehashed the idea that our evil world exists.
because satan's challenges have to be answered.. .... but no one ever reasons on what a truly dumb idea this is!.
the dumb part of it is the fact that jehovah is said to sustain the universe, "making it rain upon the wicked and the righteous".. there is simply no way that god could be challenged on a "moral" basis since there is no way to ever prove that god.
To r51785,
Not only JW’s, but also the Second Day Adventists as well as Johannes Greber (often quoted by the WTS in the past) have a similar concept of Gods sovereignty and omniscient / omnipotent powers. And if I remember correctly, William Miller ( Millerites movement ) is the originator of this which was adopted and further developed by SDA later Russell and his successors.
Having a unique doctrine doesn’t necessarily disqualify a religion. But if it lacks or contradicts to common nature of its claimed basis the bible it is rather nonsense.
It never made much sense to me, why Jah is all-knowing, can prophecy thousands of years ahead of time, and yet chooses not to foresee what Satan, Adam and Eve might do, since “unforeseen occurrence befall them all…” Ec 9:11
By the way, J. Greber’s medium was inspired by repentant fallen angels.
after much thought and research, i with heavy heart, must say yes.
i know there is a creator or supreme being of somekind.
the chances of life just happening flies in the face of all mathmatical probability models.
Hi sinis,
I have been thinking and researching about this question lately. Because I want to be sure, not to place my WT-disappointment onto god. Even though the no. one topic when going form doortodoor was “why does god permit suffering?” I must now say the “universal sovereignty issue” is a very unsatisfying answer and an unrighteous solution the problem. I have tried just reading the bible by itself, and the creator god of the OT behaves like an evil merciless dictator. Eventually looking up respected commentaries like Adam Clark and other, I found out that they admit to the atrocious violence and have no answer. The reasoning is, that god just cannot do badly and since he is the giver of life he can dispose of it when and how he thinks proper .
I don’t claim to have all the answers, but try to be realistic and fear. I respect everyone’s believes and know how beautiful and convincing it can be. Yet, I disagree and realize it is mere wishful thinking. Although there is a vast difference between free Christianity and mind-controlling-cults!
You ask for other theories and biblical thoughts –well, as you know, the bible cannon was constructed by the Catholic Church (apostate to many), some of the so-called apocryphal writings found in Qumran and Nag Hammadi, Egypt are very revealing regarding the creator god Jehovah of the OT. Not that I support Gnosticism (it’s the same as all others –my opinion), but it presents a new (to me, its actually old) and thrilling perspective on the One who says ‘there is no other besides me’. I am sure you will enjoy these pages:
http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/origin.html
http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/hypostas.html
I believe in doing what my conscience tells me to do and if there is a god, a caring one that is, he will accept me as I am, since he made me. He (or She) will understand why I cant believe in Him/Her.
Take care
freetosee
