Posts by Philippus79

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Any Russell/Rutherford wannabes out there???

by lrkr in

ok- nows the time for any of you really ambitious, organized, self motivated people out there to get moving.

write a book or two about the coming great change in 2012. link it to obscure bible prophecies.

wait for something to happen (doesn't really matter what- war, terror attack somewhere, death of the pope, worse flu season than most).. then claim divine providence.

Philippus79

Have a look here:

"This system ends Nisan14 2008"

http://www.truebiblecode.com

Phil

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2008

by jefferywhat in

i have noticed, and posted a little bit about all the buzz surrounding this year.

there is a little bit of a whisper campaign going around that armageddon is coming this year.

from other posts i notice im not the only one who is seeing this, there is alot of "reminders" that we need to be obedient and trusting of the fds ( which i am of course), along with reminders to stock up and prepare for disasters etc they are really pointing to something.

Philippus79

For all those prophetically inclined, here is the link to a site that proofs that this system ends Nisan14 2008. This Passover marks the beginning of the 370 days of the Great Tribulation and Armageddon, a chronology corresponding to the flood.

http://www.biblecodeintro.com/intro44.html

To give it to you in a nutshell, it is concluded that Adam's and Jesus' life corresponded temporarily and that the 6000 years of Satan's leasehold over the earth and humankind started when Adam sinned when he was 33,5 years old in 3993BC. Headline: Armageddon from the corresponding ransom and the 7,000 year 'week'

Additionally, it is shown that "2008Nisan14, The last day of this world, falls on the Vernal Equinox and Adam was born on 4027Tishri10, the Autumnal Equinox"

Then, there is the "Midst Prophecy". Jesus died in the exact centre of the First Abrahamic Covenant, the mid point between its inauguration and Armageddon. This can be generalised to: Jesus is temporally central in his 'salvation activities'

Nisan 14, 1943 BCE_____________Nisan 14, 33CE_____________________Nisan14, 2008 CE
Covenant inauguarated______________Jesus' sacrifice_____________________End of this system
X______________________________________X_______________________________X
_____________1975 Lunar Years__________X_________1975 Lunar Years______X

Since the WTS was informed of all of this from 1993 onwards, it is no surprise that they have something which one could call "heightened awareness to endtime chronology".

Kind regards,

Phil

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Open letter to the Watchtower about pending doom

by Philippus79 in

as i heard the lords' witnesses are again campaigning against the wt in brooklyn.

they have warned bethels and officials all over the world that nyc/the un might suffer a serious terrorist attack this weekend which might also effect the facilities of the society.

anyone heard of this?

Philippus79

Hi!

As I heard the Lords' Witnesses are again campaigning against the WT in Brooklyn. They have warned Bethels and officials all over the world that NYC/the UN might suffer a serious terrorist attack this weekend which might also effect the facilities of the Society.

Anyone heard of this?

Phil

7

seeds of doubt

by jacethespace in

when out in field service circus did you ever speak to an householder who made you question whether this was the truth rather than you getting them to think about what you were saying?or what other things did you see that made you wonder if this is gods org?or convinced you it couldnt be?.

i remember one householder i visited one saturday morning and i started my usual door to door message offering the watchtower and awake but the guy i spoke to seemed to have a good understanding of history and religion and said " we dont want to go back to becoming slaves again like in the past ".and ive never forgot that person and what he said it really made me think about who i might actually be slaving for.. i also started to doubt when some out in field circus left peoples houses saying " if they die at armaggedon its there own fault " and i often used to think how the householder would feel if they heard some of the comments made about them, they would probably never open the door again to jws so much for not stumbling weak ones.. i also know some jws who always boasted about counting their time as soon as they jumped on the bus to the hall for field circus and offered a tract or a dose of anthrax magazine.. other times i was working with an elder who admitted to me that he admired spiritual people cause he didnt feel he was spiritual and felt materalistic which i thought was sad.the same elder told me he didnt think " the truth" could help with everything so much for appointed elders being qualified.. these things and many others just fueled my doubts about jehovahs loving.

but no its not the watchtower its satan and the demons out ta.... getchaa..

Philippus79

I had an encounter with a guy in his 40ies, living in a nice house, looking healthy, polishing his car when I arrived. I made my introduction about the purpose of life and what he thinks this purpose is. He stopped what he was doing, straightened up, looked directly into my eyes and said: "Young man, I'm 'purposelessly' happy! I am alive now and I enjoy it. Have a great day, such as I do have one!" That really made me think... Phil

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Last Days per WBTS

by bobld in

i did not want to start a new topic but i didn't know where to put it.the wbts says we are living in the last days because god has allowed mankind enough time to prove he can't rule himself,jer.10:23.the wbts was changed their mind on blood by allowing the use of fractions due to advances in medical technology.well you say what has that got to do with the last days.what about the advances in the human genome.if man is given enough time maybe he can fine the defective gene that god put in the first humans.they can fine a cure and correct it.then man can live forever.if god ends this system now,he did not give science a chance.the wbts should not put the blame on faulty gov't, for all the bad things in the world.like i said science is in the first nonosecond of research in the human genome.god has to give them at least 1 billion years.after that he can do what he wants.. bob.

Philippus79

Hi Bobold! Although a bit exaggerated, I think your comment holds a theoretical truth. MAYBE it could be done...someday. But that would mean, that God's intervention would ALWAYS be unjustified. Man and Satan (for those who still believe the Bible) could always say, sorry too early, we need another 100 years. Thus it would never be clarified if Satan's challenge was just and in all the future a angel could rightfully rebell again and say it was too short give me a try... You see that a premature intervention just wouldn't answer the question if man is ultimately better off without God. So from a theological standpoint the global situation must come to a point of no return. The human race must come to the point of total self-annihilation. Only if we reach that point it will be proven without doubt that denying God's principles and his minimum set of rules, putting self-interest first, does lead to corruption is ultimately fatal. I appreciate that this is a "theological" reply but I believe that there are many out there who saw/see the corruption in the WT but have nontheless kept their faith in God and the Bible. So for those, this might be a point to consider. Regards, Phil

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How Many JWs REALLY Died in German Concentration Camps?

by Farkel in

in tribute to norman hovland who did the research and wrote this:.

how many jehovah's witnesses in the concentration camps?norman hovland.

how many jehovah's witnesses was there in germany before and shortly after the war?

Philippus79

Answer: Too many!!!

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Who is the most important man or big shot in the wts nowdays?

by Fisherman in

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i do not know how important the new wts gov bod membes are today.

are they or who are the most important people nowdays?.

Philippus79

T. Jaracz is old and yes, he has the ultimate word. But don't underestimate Gerrit Loesch. He has a natural instict for power and he surely has a fair share in influencing Jaracz.

Phil

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WT stance on blood transfusion is not biblical - proof from NWT

by Philippus79 in

they are idiots, not understanding that the purpose of blood is to sustain/save life.

god did not always punish the "abuse" (intake) of blood.

not when it was done in a life-threatening situation: .

Philippus79

They are idiots, not understanding that the purpose of blood is to sustain/save life. God did not always punish the "abuse" (intake) of blood. Not when it was done in a life-threatening situation:

When someone attacks you, trying to kill you, they lose their right to their life, their blood. You gain the right to use their life, their blood, only to save your own. You can choose to kill them and spill their blood in self defence with impunity. If your life is in danger then you can make any use of their blood, their life, that in your judgment protects or saves your life, your blood. So you can make any life protecting use of an attacker's blood without his consent, since his attack on your life, your blood, is an implied consent. The legal effect of the attack is merely to grant a consent to the victim to use the attacker's blood in a life protecting way. Therefore you can make any life protecting use of a non attacker's blood with his consent. Therefore you can take a blood transfusion from a consenting person in order to protect your life.

Putting this in a more simple way. God's law on blood exists to protect the sanctity of physical life which is represented by the blood and is owned by God. Therefore a use of blood which saves a life, does not break the law which forbid's abuse of blood. It is actually the purpose of blood to protect life!!!

This is not true of God's law on idolatry. If a false worshipper tells you he will shoot you unless you do an act of false worship, the thing to do is to refuse, and if necessary, kill him, run or get shot.

Here is the relevant part of 1Samuel14:

23 And Jehovah proceeded on that day to save Israel, and the battle itself passed over to Beth-aven.
24 And the men of Israel themselves were hard pressed on that day, and yet Saul put the people under the pledge of an oath, saying: Cursed is the man that eats bread before the evening and until I have taken vengeance upon my enemies! And none of the people tasted bread.
25 And all those of the land came into the woods, when honey happened to be over all the surface of the field.
26 When the people came into the woods, why, look! there was a dripping of honey, but there was no one putting his hand to his mouth, because the people were afraid of the oath.
27 As for Jonathan, he had not been listening when his father put the people under an oath, so he stretched out the tip of the rod that was in his hand and dipped it into the honeycomb and drew his hand back to his mouth, and his eyes began to beam.
28 At this one of the people answered and said: Your father solemnly put the people under oath, saying, 'Cursed is the man that eats bread today!' And the people began to get tired.
29 However, Jonathan said: My father has brought ostracism upon the land. See, please, how my eyes have beamed because I tasted this little bit of honey.
30 How much more so if the people had but eaten today from the spoil of their enemies that they found! For now the slaughter upon the Philistines has not been great.
31 And on that day they kept striking down the Philistines from Michmash to Aijalon, and the people got to be very tired.
32 And the people began darting greedily at the spoil and taking sheep and cattle and calves and slaughtering them on the earth, and the people fell to eating along with the blood [they did not bleed them before they cooked them].
33 So they told Saul, saying: Look! The people are sinning against Jehovah by eating along with the blood. At this he said: You have dealt treacherously. First of all, roll a great stone to me.
34 After that Saul said: Scatter among the people, and you must say to them, 'Bring near to me, each one of you, his bull and, each one, his sheep, and you must do the slaughtering in this place and the eating, and you must not sin against Jehovah by eating along with the blood.' Accordingly all the people brought near each one his bull that was in his hand that night and did the slaughtering there.
35 And Saul proceeded to build an altar to Jehovah. With it he started altar building to Jehovah.
36 Later Saul said: Let us go down after the Philistines by night and plunder them until the morning lightens up, and let us not leave a single one among them. To this they said: Anything that is good in your eyes do. Then the priest said: Let us approach here to the [true] God.
37 And Saul began to inquire of God: Shall I go down after the Philistines? Will you give them into the hand of Israel? And he did not answer him on that day.
38 So Saul said: Come near here, all you keymen of the people, and ascertain and see in what way this sin has come to be today.
39 For as Jehovah, who is the Deliverer of Israel, is alive, even if it is in Jonathan my son, yet he will positively die. But there was no one answering him out of all the people.
40 And he went on to say to all Israel: You yourselves will come to be on the one side, and I and Jonathan my son -- we will come to be on the other side. At this the people said to Saul: What is good in your eyes do.
41 And Saul proceeded to say to Jehovah: Oh God of Israel, do give Thummim! Then Jonathan and Saul were taken, and the people themselves went out.
42 Saul now said: Cast lots to decide between me and Jonathan my son. And Jonathan got to be taken.
43 Then Saul said to Jonathan: Do tell me, What have you done? So Jonathan told him and said: I did for a fact taste a little honey on the tip of the rod that is in my hand. Here I am! Let me die!
45 At this Saul said: Thus may God do and thus may he add to it, if you do not positively die, Jonathan.
45 But the people said to Saul: Is Jonathan to die, who has performed this great salvation in Israel? It is unthinkable! As Jehovah is alive, not as much as a single hair of his head will fall to the earth; for it was with God that he worked this day. With that the people redeemed Jonathan, and he did not die
46 So Saul withdrew from following the Philistines, and the Philistines themselves went to their place (1 Samuel 14).

This is a very interesting and technical account. Jonathon instigates an attack on the Philistines. Saul makes the people swear an unnecessary oath that limits their ability to do God's work. Jonathon inadvertently breaks this oath being unaware that it existed and God blesses him and the attack nonetheless. Saul then attempts to instigate a further attack on the Philistines on the next Hebrew day, but God does not indicate that he will bless Saul's attack.

in truth it was Saul who was to blame by putting his men in an impossible position with an oath that was tantamount to killing them. He took Israel into the oath in order to appear to be as courageous as his son Jonathon, with whom he was competing. He was actually jealous of his own son, and he risked the lives of the whole army in order to enhance his popularity (he could have run for office today on that ticket and won). Now God did not kill those of the sons of Israel who had eaten blood along with their meat. He could have instructed Saul to attack the Philistines and arranged for everyone who had eaten blood to be killed for example. He could have instructed Samuel to speak to Saul and tell him to kill everyone who had eaten blood. He could have sent an angel and struck them all down as he did in the case of 70,000 of those who agreed to be registered by Joab. But God did not punish any of his people, he merely embarrassed Saul by failing to bless him as he had blessed his son.

Now clearly God did not make a mistake or forget about the men who had eaten the blood! So there must have been extenuating circumstances for the sons of Israel who abused blood. Well if you are prosecuting a war which requires you to chase after people and hack them to pieces with swords, then being tired and hungry and therefore weak, is a life threatening problem. So the extenuating circumstances were that the soldiers were in mortal danger. If the Philistines had launched a counter attack on tired hungry and weak Jews, the result could have been fatal. So obviously there are circumstances wherein abusing blood carries no penalty. We deduce from this account that such circumstances are when the abuse of blood is for the purpose of saving or protecting life.

Phil

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Lots have asked for me to post why I did the research on Blood here is why

by skyking in

he asked why couldnt we auto-transfuse ourselves?

everyone at the study group wanted me to answer the question.

was it true jw's could take a transfusion without any sanctions in bulgaria kept flooding in my mind.

Philippus79

They are idiots, not understanding that the purpose of blood is to sustain/save life. God did not always punish the "abuse" (intake) of blood. Not wheni t was done in a life-threatening situation:

When someone attacks you, trying to kill you, they lose their right to their life, their blood. You gain the right to use their life, their blood, only to save your own. You can choose to kill them and spill their blood in self defence with impunity. If your life is in danger then you can make any use of their blood, their life, that in your judgment protects or saves your life, your blood. So you can make any life protecting use of an attacker's blood without his consent, since his attack on your life, your blood, is an implied consent. The legal effect of the attack is merely to grant a consent to the victim to use the attacker's blood in a life protecting way. Therefore you can make any life protecting use of a non attacker's blood with his consent. Therefore you can take a blood transfusion from a consenting person in order to protect your life.

Putting this in a more simple way. God's law on blood exists to protect the sanctity of physical life which is represented by the blood and is owned by God. Therefore a use of blood which saves a life, does not break the law which forbid's abuse of blood. It is actually the purpose of blood to protect life!!!

This is not true of God's law on idolatry. If a false worshipper tells you he will shoot you unless you do an act of false worship, the thing to do is to refuse, and if necessary, kill him, run or get shot.

Here is the relevant part of 1Samuel14:

23 And Jehovah proceeded on that day to save Israel, and the battle itself passed over to Beth-aven.
24 And the men of Israel themselves were hard pressed on that day, and yet Saul put the people under the pledge of an oath, saying: Cursed is the man that eats bread before the evening and until I have taken vengeance upon my enemies! And none of the people tasted bread.
25 And all those of the land came into the woods, when honey happened to be over all the surface of the field.
26 When the people came into the woods, why, look! there was a dripping of honey, but there was no one putting his hand to his mouth, because the people were afraid of the oath.
27 As for Jonathan, he had not been listening when his father put the people under an oath, so he stretched out the tip of the rod that was in his hand and dipped it into the honeycomb and drew his hand back to his mouth, and his eyes began to beam.
28 At this one of the people answered and said: Your father solemnly put the people under oath, saying, 'Cursed is the man that eats bread today!' And the people began to get tired.
29 However, Jonathan said: My father has brought ostracism upon the land. See, please, how my eyes have beamed because I tasted this little bit of honey.
30 How much more so if the people had but eaten today from the spoil of their enemies that they found! For now the slaughter upon the Philistines has not been great.
31 And on that day they kept striking down the Philistines from Michmash to Aijalon, and the people got to be very tired.
32 And the people began darting greedily at the spoil and taking sheep and cattle and calves and slaughtering them on the earth, and the people fell to eating along with the blood [they did not bleed them before they cooked them].
33 So they told Saul, saying: Look! The people are sinning against Jehovah by eating along with the blood. At this he said: You have dealt treacherously. First of all, roll a great stone to me.
34 After that Saul said: Scatter among the people, and you must say to them, 'Bring near to me, each one of you, his bull and, each one, his sheep, and you must do the slaughtering in this place and the eating, and you must not sin against Jehovah by eating along with the blood.' Accordingly all the people brought near each one his bull that was in his hand that night and did the slaughtering there.
35 And Saul proceeded to build an altar to Jehovah. With it he started altar building to Jehovah.
36 Later Saul said: Let us go down after the Philistines by night and plunder them until the morning lightens up, and let us not leave a single one among them. To this they said: Anything that is good in your eyes do. Then the priest said: Let us approach here to the [true] God.
37 And Saul began to inquire of God: Shall I go down after the Philistines? Will you give them into the hand of Israel? And he did not answer him on that day.
38 So Saul said: Come near here, all you keymen of the people, and ascertain and see in what way this sin has come to be today.
39 For as Jehovah, who is the Deliverer of Israel, is alive, even if it is in Jonathan my son, yet he will positively die. But there was no one answering him out of all the people.
40 And he went on to say to all Israel: You yourselves will come to be on the one side, and I and Jonathan my son -- we will come to be on the other side. At this the people said to Saul: What is good in your eyes do.
41 And Saul proceeded to say to Jehovah: Oh God of Israel, do give Thummim! Then Jonathan and Saul were taken, and the people themselves went out.
42 Saul now said: Cast lots to decide between me and Jonathan my son. And Jonathan got to be taken.
43 Then Saul said to Jonathan: Do tell me, What have you done? So Jonathan told him and said: I did for a fact taste a little honey on the tip of the rod that is in my hand. Here I am! Let me die!
45 At this Saul said: Thus may God do and thus may he add to it, if you do not positively die, Jonathan.
45 But the people said to Saul: Is Jonathan to die, who has performed this great salvation in Israel? It is unthinkable! As Jehovah is alive, not as much as a single hair of his head will fall to the earth; for it was with God that he worked this day. With that the people redeemed Jonathan, and he did not die
46 So Saul withdrew from following the Philistines, and the Philistines themselves went to their place (1 Samuel 14).

This is a very interesting and technical account. Jonathon instigates an attack on the Philistines. Saul makes the people swear an unnecessary oath that limits their ability to do God's work. Jonathon inadvertently breaks this oath being unaware that it existed and God blesses him and the attack nonetheless. Saul then attempts to instigate a further attack on the Philistines on the next Hebrew day, but God does not indicate that he will bless Saul's attack.

in truth it was Saul who was to blame by putting his men in an impossible position with an oath that was tantamount to killing them. He took Israel into the oath in order to appear to be as courageous as his son Jonathon, with whom he was competing. He was actually jealous of his own son, and he risked the lives of the whole army in order to enhance his popularity (he could have run for office today on that ticket and won). Now God did not kill those of the sons of Israel who had eaten blood along with their meat. He could have instructed Saul to attack the Philistines and arranged for everyone who had eaten blood to be killed for example. He could have instructed Samuel to speak to Saul and tell him to kill everyone who had eaten blood. He could have sent an angel and struck them all down as he did in the case of 70,000 of those who agreed to be registered by Joab. But God did not punish any of his people, he merely embarrassed Saul by failing to bless him as he had blessed his son.

Now clearly God did not make a mistake or forget about the men who had eaten the blood! So there must have been extenuating circumstances for the sons of Israel who abused blood. Well if you are prosecuting a war which requires you to chase after people and hack them to pieces with swords, then being tired and hungry and therefore weak, is a life threatening problem. So the extenuating circumstances were that the soldiers were in mortal danger. If the Philistines had launched a counter attack on tired hungry and weak Jews, the result could have been fatal. So obviously there are circumstances wherein abusing blood carries no penalty. We deduce from this account that such circumstances are when the abuse of blood is for the purpose of saving or protecting life.

Phil

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World to end March 2008???

by GetOverIt in

this is very lengthy, if anyone has time, i'm interested in opinions.

i haven't gone over it thoroughly.

it also identifies jw's as having know become known as a false religion and uses a lot of chronology.. http://www.unwatchtower.com/.

Philippus79

@ Finally-Free

Oh, I'm so sorry, it is March 21... So enjoy your xxx

Phil