Hope you have a pleasant time as you go out together. Here in Texas, everything is blooming as it is warming up. It looks like all my plants survived the winter. The doves are mating so soon we'll have lots of little ones to enjoy. Hope you get to enjoy all the flowers and plants as you take your outing.
Quandry
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Hi everyone, it's great to be back
by fullofdoubtnow inthankyou so much for all the good wishes you have sent us in the last few days, trev has been printing up the emails, pms and threads, and bringing the cards to show me every day, and i get a lift every time i see him coming in with more of your lovely messages to read.. it's been a tough time for both of us, and it won't get any easier.
i am dreading chemo, to be honest, but i have to bear it, as i would anything that gives me hope.
but that's for monday, and i am going to enjoy myself as much as i can this weekend.
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My wife has finally seen the light.
by Ironhead infor 18 months i have been at loggerheads with my wife over the wts.
she has been the perfect watchtower slave even declaring that she'll never leave the truth.
i decided not to interfere in her life, attacking the society, and the idiots in the hall, but recently things have changed for the best.
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Quandry
Congratulations. Wonderful that you and your wife are on the same page now. It is wonderful that you have each other for support.
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update on my divorce situation
by depressed ini'm shocked!
if you remember my experience, in a nutshell, basically my ex-bethelite ex pioneer husband cheated on me with an older "worldly woman" from his job and left me suddenly.
i had no idea that we had trouble with our marriage, however, when i discovered the love letters from the other woman, he moved out, and a week after that, i received divorce papers.
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Quandry
Well, I know you will do what you will do, but....it seems that you are beginning to make a spectacle of yourself and will soon lose self-respect. Do you think that you will win this man back? You will not. Time is evidence of that. What you will do is end up bitter and will not have a life of your own.
It is time to salvage what dignity you have left and move on. You can do it. You can overcome. Don't let him think he is so important he can still rule your life. Don't let her take any more of it.
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wow, what a response!
by Matt_fs ini simply asked a friend of mine to explain to me deut 20:20-22 and he wrote this:.
"its really quite simple what i think about deut.18:20-22. i don't.
the hebrew scriptures describing aspects of the original law convenent ended when the new convenent came into place by means of christ's death.
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Quandry
The Kingdom? What happens when we die, why Jehovah God permits suffering... these undeniable CORE TRUTHS.
The Kingdom?
It is ironic that the fact that many are having questions today is because of the CHANGES IN THE SO CALLED "CORE TRUTHS" such as the teaching that those who saw the events happening in 1914 would not pass off the scene before all things would come to pass. Then, they changed this "core truth" in 1995. Also, the "core truth" about blood transfusions seems to be changing as we speak.
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Need Help!
by LibraLady ini really need some advice for a problem that is really bothering me and that is why i signed on to this site.
i have become estranged completely from my dear sister who has become a dedicated jw.
i am sure that many of you have heard stories like this before but it really hurts me.
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Quandry
Welcome to the forum.
Yes, I also was one of the ones who kept my family at arm's length. After all, they are not good associates, because they do not encourage meeting attendance at the Kingdom Hall, and may (horrors) have pagan holiday celebrations. They are doomed to die at Armageddon because they are not true believers.
As you read information on this board, and maybe look at the freeminds website, you will find out why many of us are no longer witnesses.
As for advice, I truly don't believe that if any family member began talking against doctrine to me, I would have listened. I would have instead dug in my heels and gone even further away from family contact, feeling ever so self-righteous.
What I did not know, however, was that there were sites on the web like Silent Lambs, that shows the destructive way many young ones were molested and their perpetrators are still in good standing.
I like to think that if this was brought to my attention, I would have listened. Perhaps you can ask in a nice way if some of the information you have read about witnesses is true. Ask in a way that is just to gather information. Perhaps ask her opinion on why these things are happening.
Hope you can find out some things that may help.
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WHO ELSE IS GOING TO THE MEMORIAL THIS YEAR???
by Mary ingeeze, the memorial to remember your place in the organization jesus christ is next tueday i think.......anyone else getting roped into going besides me?
i'm trying to talk my brother into going....just so i'm not the only slacker there.
i know whats going to happen.
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Quandry
No!!!!!
I do not want to pump up their numbers by my presence.
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My wife "Rowan" needs of your support too.
by Gerard inmy wife 'rowan' was born and raised a jw, her father being an elder -a very gentle loving person, but an elder.. some years ago, she was betrayed by a close friend, subjected to a jc and was disfellowshiped & shunned.
the proceeding was completely void of mercy and love, it was much like a violation, a rape.
finding herself df'd was of course terrifying, but the most disapointing outcome was that her father sided with the elders.. eventually she discovered through select books, articles and this board about the fear-driven mind control ways of her religion.
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Quandry
Frodo : [...] I wish none of this had happened.
Gandalf : So do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us.
I hope that all the posters who have had similar experiences have been able to help. I know that it helped me tremendously to find this board and know that others have had horrific experiences and are here to offer advice.
My daughter was subjected to the elder's "interrogation room tactics" for hours while they falsely accused her and called her a liar when she would not admit to what they wanted. They humiliated and berated her. She was only sixteen. They made her want to die. They made her feel as though she was worthless and even made her read a scripture that she was filth in God's eyes and would burn in the fire with the devil and his angels.
Needless to say our family has been devastated. This treatment after my husband, an elder at the time, and I had spent over thirty years as the ones who always stayed to clean, followed every tiny rule, scrutinized everything we watched, read, thought, etc. to be in line with the WTS. He was the kind who truly wanted to help others, instead of always following the dictates of prominant ones.
Well, it has been two horrible years now. But you know what? We have decided to live instead of our first inclination to kill ourselves because what had happened was so hard to live with. We finally figured that the WTS would probably feel vindicated if we did do away with ourselves, saying "See what happens when rebellious ones do not accept counsel?" So, we decided to be a thorn in their side by living, and by telling others just what kind of people they are. This, they don't like.
On the up side, since the pain of sitting and thinking about what was going on was too much to bear, we painted the entire inside of our house, including the cielings, landscaped the yard, and rented every movie imaginable. I am even in college, and determined to get a degree.
Yes, we found ourselves with no friends and over fifty years old. But it finally struck us, that "with friends like these, who needs enemies?" And now, we find that we are actually recovering.
Since our backyard is beautifully landscaped now, we enjoy sitting outside and viewing the hummingbirds that come to our hummingbird bushes, and I plan on putting in a birdbath and birdhouses this year. We also have plenty of plants that attract butterflies.
Yes, with time, therapy, this board, love and determination, there IS LIFE after. Please hang in there and know that you both are worthwhile people who deserve happiness. NEVER GIVE UP!!!!!!
We must truly decide what to do with the time we have left for us. Please do not let the WTS have any more time by dwelling on the past--please enjoy the time we have been given now.
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If WTS said 1+1=3 would JW's accept it, would you have? (mind control ?)
by jwfacts ina phenomenon of cult mind control is that followers are not to qustion what the leaders say, regardless of how unrealistic or contary to human experience.
consider the following watchtower concepts that jws accept without question.
these are common concepts that any jw could (but does not) prove to be either wrong or straight out lies.. there was a huge increase in earthquakes in the 20th centuryjehovah will kill billions of people because he is a god of lovethe wts correctly foretold the events of 1914the watchtower never suggested 1975lions used to be vegetarian before the flood and will be in the new systemso if the watchtower wrote that 1+1=3 would you have believed it.
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- It will be clarified in due time
- Shelve any doubts
- Who are we to question the mind of God
- God is revealing through his organization some remarkable truth that those of the world can not understand
Yes, because of the above reasons.
Basically, I would have tried to study the WT containing new information, not understood it, felt that I was deficient in my understanding, gone to the WT study and watched all the people confidently answering questions about the new information, felt even more guilt at my lack of spiritual maturity and vision, and even worse because deep inside I felt the nagging feeling that it was really the WTS who was not cleary defining the meaning, and that I was questioning things and shouldn't.
Then, I would put all thoughts about this new light on the back burner, trying to feel confident that it would somehow all become clear as time went on.
I was a good dub, wasn't I?
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Why can't he let himself be happy?
by emilyblue ini'm in love with a man who is a witness.
i am a pretty inactive protestant, meaning my parents were only able to drag me to church twice a year on christmas eve and easter morning.
he told me early into our relationship that he wanted to marry me and spend the rest of his life with me, and that he has never felt the love for anyone else like he does for me.
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Quandry
Thinking about all the crap I have gone through really makes me feel like a total idiot. I must have issues of my own to be willing to deal with this. But I love this guy and want so badly to help him.
You sound like a lovely person. But like all females, we have been conditioned to "serve." You feel that you want to "help him." You would have to sacrifice everything you believe in and want for your future in order to do this. Unconditionally. There is no middle ground with witnesses. Once you are "in" and baptized, which he would insist upon before he could marry you, you would be expected to follow every minute principle set out by the Watchtower Society, and by your husband, since he believes so strongly in women following his headship. Already two women could not measure up, so obviously his standards must be pretty rigorous. Can you spell misery? Divorce down the line when you can't take anymore? Only then, when you couldn't measure up, you would be probably counseled by elders in a back room. At this point, if you divorce, they could disfellowship you, and you would be shunned by everyone you had made friends with, as well as being made to feel it is all your fault. This is, of course, after you had estranged yourself from your own family because they are "worldly" and no longer were good association for you, and your new husband would of course see to it that your association with them was limited.
This all adds up to this man getting what he wants on his own terms. When he does not get his way, it is the fault of the woman. She doesn't measure up. You don't seem to have any input that is valid. This is not a give and take relationship, nor are any compromises acceptable. It's his way only.
Please study some of the history of this organization on the freeminds website. Then you will be equiped to discuss things with him.
Wish you the best.
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My sister's in ICU
by MsMcDucket inone of my sister's was found laying in the door way of her home by a neighbor.
no one knows how long she had been there.
she was hypothermic when they found her.
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Quandry
So sorry to hear about your sister. Hope she is better soon!!!!