after much hard work a certain person has finally got the story published through a letter to the editor in the san bernardino sun.
you will find the article in the november 28, 2001 edition of the newspaper in the "opinion" section.
note the voice of the people section.
Hi Mac,
I somehow missed your post on this! That's really great news that we've got some coverage in Italy. So, that's England, Itlay and I believe someone said Germany? I guess our Canadian efforts haven't panned yet. Now if only we could break the American press in an article as well as our one successful letter to the editor by sapphire.
That's really good news, Mac.
Thanks for the scan. Too bad I only know a few essential phrases in Italian... like how to order a good cup of tea.
many have argued that articles in awake!
in recent years show that watchtower was letting itself be told what do by the purple beast, namely, promote the united nations in its writings.
i can understand how many might quickly find support for this claim, for there are, indeed, many articles in awake!
Okay. I think understand. The Watchtower didn't need to become an affiliated NGO to access the library. Thanks for clearing that up, Alward. Your conversation with the UN just verified what we already know. Not only could they access information without affiliation, they CHOSE to affiliate with the scarlet coloured beast. Their doing so was completely elective and a completely unnecessary to gather resources.
If you believe that pathetic loophole attempt is in any way viable, you are seriously mistaken. You already shot (yet another) hole through their information acquiring motive. We already knew as much but you confirmed it.
So what was their motive, Alward? It wasn't informational resource gathering because they didn't need to associate on an affiliate level for that. What was their motive?
Mind you, if you say something about defeating the "beast" from within would you rather we point as we laugh at you or would that be rude?
C'mon, you seem smarter than this.
unique hk article on jws, plus posted comments:.
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http://preaching.krishna.org/articles/2001/01/00251.html
Wow! Have you read the comments from readers on that article? I hate to admit it, but I actually shuddered when I read the posts by those two Krishna followers (? terminology?).
I'd cut and paste some of it but I haven't got time at the moment.
Yikes!
watchtower.org pics..... .
you have to swing under the placard, jimmy, to take down an apostate.
just keep your eye on the seal.... don't get distracted
In a sick twist, little Jimmy gets to play with the bat he'll be beaten with later.
we are not jehovah's witnesses because of a variety of circumstances, but one thing we all share is that we question.. what factors come together to make us questioners?.
intelligence?
but i know a lot of very smart non-questioning jehovah's witnesses.. bravery?
Yoyo asked,"Was this personal reading of apostate material?"
You may want to specify which apostates you are referring to. As mentioned earlier, Mormons believe ex-mormons are "apostate" but I suspect that you would would not consider reading ex-mormon information to be apostate, just a waste of time.
Assuming you are asking if he was reading ex-jw materials (your version of "apostate"), I would like to ask you if you believe it is possible that information from former witnesses could ever contain facts? Could it ever contain any truth?
Well I can tell you who re-started the heart of someone dear to me but I don't suppose you are looking for a MD recommendation.
are jw's the only ones that "label" individual's apostate?
i'm asking because it seems that i've never heard anyone of any other faith make comments about apostates.
just curious...
Mormons also use the term apostate. Additionally, they also shun former members ("apostates')
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"all they did--as far as the current evidence I'm aware of shows--is USE the UN to defeat it."
And defeat it they did! Could we not hear the mournful cry of "uncle!" coming from the Scarlet-coloured beast? How pathetic watching the disgusting thing beg for mercy from the ever powerful watchtower!
It's not as if the Watchtower got caught with it's pants down and ran sissy-style into hiding. No, in a strange, calculated attack the Watchtower decisively defeated the beast leaving only a few hapless churchgoers to stand as the most hated thing on the planet.
Uh, yeah, that's what happened.
No offense, Alward, but the sorry little loophole you've tried to offer the Tower is a piss-poor excuse. Ignorance of the law...blah blah blah. You've not yet explained how it is that they condemn all other churches for the exact same thing they did. They seemed to recognize just how wrong it was for other groups to affiliate in such a manner. Now they have selective amnesia?
Let's see: they met applied for and accepted affiliated status. Expectations were clearly outlined in a number of places. They didn't read the criteria? So we should assume what? That they are illiterate or just plain stupid? And when they met the criteria by writing articles that supported the UN, they weren't actually supporting the UN?
I see, it's all part of their diabolical plan to off the beast. Very tricky! Sadly, not a particularly good plan as the UN seems to still be actively functioning or maybe you hadn't noticed? Maybe they just aren't very good warriors in Jah's army?
You should consider trying to sell them your excuse. It might be the best one yet. It certainly beats the library card fiasco! It doesn't hold any water, mind you, but the JWs love a good technicality even when it defies logic. Good work. Would you care to write off the blood issue and that nasty pedophilia issue while you're at it?
i'm sure most of those on this illusterous board have read articles on brainwashing by the borg.
i think they are pros at subliminal suggestion & hypnosis.. consider the following on hypnosis: an altered state of consciousness brought about through an operator (borg), the hypnotist, who engages the attention of a subject (sheep) and assigns certain tasks (service etc.
) while uttering momotonous, repetitive verbal commands (meetings & talks).
One of the few quasi-negative things my JW friend said about the organization: "lots of repetition".
He loves his mother organization and would not speak even somewhat ill of her unless it was absolutely unavoidable, so it's got to be bad if he's owned up to it.
Now if only he could make the next great leap in recognition and figure out why so much repetition!
below is a scanned article from the august 22, 1967 awake!
magazine that deals with women and why they don't hold positions of authority in the wachtower.
metatron brought this subject up a few months ago and someone was nice enough to give me the actual article.
Hi Hawk,
I'm getting little red X's instead of the scans. I'm looking forward to reading these articles. My stomach is turning just thinking about them!
