I got this spiel from my witness friend. So I asked if the elders were volunteers to which he said "yes". I asked if they were then considered equals to publishers to which I received a hesitant "yes". I asked if he participated in selecting the elders..."um, no". So I asked who does pick the elders at which point he seemed to lose interest in telling me how there weren't any real distinctions between clergy-laity. Go figure.
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The Clergy- Laity Watchtower Lie
by metatron ini get sick and tired of hearing the watchtower lie that they.
have no 'clergy- laity' distinction.. the hypocrisy in this is almost incredible.
the society wants.
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What JW's on MSN Think of This Site...
by teenyuck ini cut and pasted from just jw's on msn...i will post the link, however, if you are not a member you cannot link in...somehow i got accepted!.
http://64.4.8.250/cgi-bin/linkrd?_lang=en&lah=8c41521583fca644a4e2d0ee2c43f5b4&lat=1015435130&hm___action=http%3a%2f%2fcommunities%2emsn%2eco%2euk%2fjustjws.
the jehovahs-witness.com site is not a jehovah's witness site.
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Now how many of them are scurrying on over here to check out this site as a result? Publicity, publicity, publicity!!
That's an excellent way to drum up business. Probably some savvy non-witness cooked that one up to get a few folks over here by piquing their curiousity.
For all those lurking due to the free advertisement...howdy!
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Can marriage survive infidelity??
by butalbee inmy best friend, jamilynne, comes over this morning for coffee.
i haven't seen her in awhile, guess she had been busy........she's been really busy, i find out today!.
she tells me that she cheated on her husband, with a man she works with.
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This might make me very unpopular but...
are you and Mike close friends? How often have you talked to mike in the past six months? Do you know Mike only through your association with Jamilynn or did you know him on your own?The reason I'm asking is because you've done a couple of interesting things in your post. You distanced your self from your "best friend" by saying you don't even know her anymore. You heaped praise on her husband in your post as well. It seems to me as though something else might be going on here, even if you aren't really sure what it is. Without knowing how often you talk to mike or how close to him you are it's difficult to say for sure but it looks as if you are getting more involved in the situation than you should.
What happened between Mike and Jamilynn is between Mike and Jamilynn. They are the ones who are married. You are a third party. Maybe a valuable one, but a third party nonetheless. She's telling you details. He's not. Maybe he doesn't consider you a confidence in that manner. But if he didn't call you up himself then you should let him be. Besides, you are risking your relationship with your "best friend". But it sounds like you don't mind the thought of losing her. And maybe gaining him? (this is where I start to get unpopular- but have you considered there might be something to this?)
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Advice 4 Anyone Struggling after leaving WT
by JT inrepost.
just wanted to pass along some of the golden nuggets i have in the.
wt files.
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Wow! Good stuff. Thanks for sharing it JT.
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If you have an axe to grind against Jehovah!
by Nimrod ini am a full blown practising black satanic magician and ex-jw who is out to crush jehovah's empire and bring it to its knees.
i am seeking similar like minded persons for the gathering together of a magical order of the darkest kind.
respond only if you dare.
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Priceless!
This board has the evil annointed one- Nimrod and the messiah- Larsguy! How cool is that???? Now if we could just get them a vat of mud, we'd have some bang up entertainment!
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Counter to Proplog2 on Cults
by Amazing inproplog2 has engaged in a serious debate on those who support the identification of cults ... and much of the material he cites has been aimed at discrediting margaret singer, a known expert on cults.. i checked the following as suggested by proplog2: anyone who speaks against singer is labeled a "cult-apologist".
if you don't know about margaret singer do a search on google.com using the following words margaret singer & apa .
i conducted this search and checked the first page of sites.
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Anticultists, APA & Margaret Singer
by proplog2 inmargaret singer is one of the favorite "experts" of those who like to paint with a wide "cult-accusing" brush.. anyone who speaks against singer is labeled a "cult-apologist".
if you don't know about margaret singer do a search on google.com using the following words margaret singer & apa .
apa is the main professional association of psychologists.. please be warned.
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Prop, haven't you already been over this?
"destructive high-control group"
"cult"Whatever.
I think it's important that people study trends in high-control groups or "cults". Guess I'm just an "anti-cultist" because I do believe there are existing similiarities (behavioral/sociological/psychological etc.)in destructive, high-control groups.
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My visit to WT official site
by larc inenglishman has a thread about the generation idea and the apostates - most interesting.
after reading this, it occured to me it would be interesting to go to the official watchtower internet site and use there search function on different words and see what they had to say.
here is what i found out.. first of all, they do not show complete articles.
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Yes, yoyo, the internet is a good way to spread information.
Bad news for the Tower...
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Watchtower Letter
by JosephAlward ini received a letter today from the watchtower explaining their reasons for registering with the dpi.
the last paragraph is perhaps the most interesting, though it may contain no new information.. .
joseph f. alward.
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Well, that just clears it up for me. Repeatedly put in print that X is the enemy of your cause. Repeatedly put in print that X is the "disgusting thing" that will turn people away from your cause, persecute countless people affiliated with your cause and will attempt to prevent others from joining your cause.
Then go to X, solicit a cooperative relationship with your enemy and agree to promote your enemy.
Why? Oh, because they've got a lot of books!
Does it matter that you can have access to books without jeopardizing your morals? No. Does it matter that you just sought out the help of X, who you believe will later abuse members of your cause? No. Do you tell members of your cause that you just initiated a cooperative relationship with the groups nemesis? No.
It makes perfect sense. when dealing with people I don't trust, I always haphazardly go into situations and not check facts.
I guess they just weren't being cautious as serpents?
I guess God's chosen people weren't chosen because they're very thorough, eh?
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Religion: The Bane of Humanity
by Adam inso yesterday i showed the receptionist some comments that i had posted on a different board.
the gist of the post was that i thought god's punnishment of the entire human race for the actions of one person, namely adam, was a gross miscarrage of justice.
also that bible tells us of this act, then says that he is a god of love, contradicting it's self.
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Do they pipe in "scenes from hell" on monitors in heaven or is she planning on burning in hell forever right along side of you?
For some, hell is other people.
paraphrased from SartreFor others, heaven must be watching others rot in hell and knowing that it's not you suffering.