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this website

by little_lamb_on_a_hill in

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i just stumbled onto this website whilst messing about on the internet and i've taken exception to quite a lot of what i've seen here.

incase you think i'm some irate jehovah's witness idiot who's been offended by the terrible blasphemy that he's read on here, i'm not.

i was raised a jw, but now i'm not one.. first of all, given the url, i thought this website was in some way affiliated with the jehovah's witness organization, whereas in reality it seems from the posts i've read that most people here are either former jehovah's witnesses or soon-to-be former jehovah's witnesses.

detective

Xenu,
so what you are saying is that certain insults are tolerable as long as they seem bible based? So, for example, if I say that Jehovahs witnesses are guilty of idol worship (the organization) and of following men (the governing body), that's okay with you because those are issues raised in the bible? And if I say they are yet another whore of babylon that rode their scarlet colored beast with abandon, that's a suitable insult in your opinion?

Okay, well, that's what I think. If you disagree, you can talk it up with some dead guy. Now fairs fair, right?

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this website

by little_lamb_on_a_hill in

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friends

i just stumbled onto this website whilst messing about on the internet and i've taken exception to quite a lot of what i've seen here.

incase you think i'm some irate jehovah's witness idiot who's been offended by the terrible blasphemy that he's read on here, i'm not.

i was raised a jw, but now i'm not one.. first of all, given the url, i thought this website was in some way affiliated with the jehovah's witness organization, whereas in reality it seems from the posts i've read that most people here are either former jehovah's witnesses or soon-to-be former jehovah's witnesses.

detective

Xenu, would you please address my response regarding name calling. Specifically, do you agree or not agree with my assertion that the WTBS derogatorily labels and "name calls" other groups and people?

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Are you happy?

by teejay in

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in the context of this forum, happiness at its core is generally defined in one of two ways: a) being a witness or, b) not being a witness.

most of us consider ourselves happier since leaving the organization.

because of a recent discussion between violetanai and marilyn, i've thought about it some more, only to reaffirm the truth i already discovered some time ago.

detective

I spent an afternoon this past weekend with one "the happiest people on earth". Only, he really wasn't so happy actually. In fact, he was so grief-stricken that he- literally- could hardly speak at times.

I've seen him struggle with "the truth" for a long time now. His world is slowly shattering and yet he clings to the organization desperately. It's beyond sad. He's not good enough or strong enough or faithful enough...he's sure the problem is with him, never them.
So, he hammers himself to the point where he feels like he "wants to die". And every one of his so called friends that are lovingly ignoring him...his family ...these people that he defends- these people are standing by doing nothing while he runs the risk of losing his only shot at livelihood because he can't pay his bills. He's nearing homelessness. His family and friends, they know what's going on. They could step up, they just don't. But he assures me, they would help. Yeah, really, they've done a fine job of it so far.

So, he spends his days a distraught, conflicted person trying to cram himself into that little box that he doesn't fit into. Because, I guess, he wants to be one of "the happiest people on earth"?!?

He'll be happy, dammit. Someday.

Sorry Teejay, I'm just going off- trying to let off a little steam after this past weekend. Maybe your mum really is happy. Is it better to die deluded? I don't know. All I know is for many people, they can't even hang onto the delusions any more- try as they might. And that is actually incredibly sad.

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this website

by little_lamb_on_a_hill in

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i just stumbled onto this website whilst messing about on the internet and i've taken exception to quite a lot of what i've seen here.

incase you think i'm some irate jehovah's witness idiot who's been offended by the terrible blasphemy that he's read on here, i'm not.

i was raised a jw, but now i'm not one.. first of all, given the url, i thought this website was in some way affiliated with the jehovah's witness organization, whereas in reality it seems from the posts i've read that most people here are either former jehovah's witnesses or soon-to-be former jehovah's witnesses.

detective

Xenu,
I can see why the name-calling issue might be troubling to you. But I would also ask that you understand my perspective- when I first came into this contact with this organization. How do you think I felt when I realized a group I had never had any occasion to form opinion on had already formed an opinion about me- and everyone else I know, for that matter. How do you think an outsider feels when they realize that this group calls us "worldly" in a derogatory manner? Calls all other religions derogatory names? How about all the "bad associations" who don't even know this little group is attacking them behind their backs, then knocking on their doors all sweet as can be? I didn't have a name or label for witnesses or the watchtower when I first became aware they even existed. But they had a name, a label, for me. It didn't occur to me to speak ill of the watchtower but it sure as hell occurred to them to speak ill of me.

I understand that you don't like the negativity, but you can you seriously say that "worldly" people (aka "bad associations") who are part of "Babylon the Great" and are slated to die at Harmageddon- can you honestly say that's not incredibly negative? Really?

They dish it out, but they can't take it?

Ever since I've come onto contact with this group I have seen such misery and sadness. It really breaks my heart. Sometimes it makes me mad too. So you'll probably hear a little bit of those things in my posts. I'm sure others feel the same way. You get emotions, they aren't always neat or easy to swallow.

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this website

by little_lamb_on_a_hill in

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i just stumbled onto this website whilst messing about on the internet and i've taken exception to quite a lot of what i've seen here.

incase you think i'm some irate jehovah's witness idiot who's been offended by the terrible blasphemy that he's read on here, i'm not.

i was raised a jw, but now i'm not one.. first of all, given the url, i thought this website was in some way affiliated with the jehovah's witness organization, whereas in reality it seems from the posts i've read that most people here are either former jehovah's witnesses or soon-to-be former jehovah's witnesses.

detective

Xenu,
Why don't you go back and read my post again. I gave some reasons that I think sites like this are helpful and important. You must have skipped over my post, or for some reason you don't think my thoughts on this matter are relevent?

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this website

by little_lamb_on_a_hill in

jw
friends

i just stumbled onto this website whilst messing about on the internet and i've taken exception to quite a lot of what i've seen here.

incase you think i'm some irate jehovah's witness idiot who's been offended by the terrible blasphemy that he's read on here, i'm not.

i was raised a jw, but now i'm not one.. first of all, given the url, i thought this website was in some way affiliated with the jehovah's witness organization, whereas in reality it seems from the posts i've read that most people here are either former jehovah's witnesses or soon-to-be former jehovah's witnesses.

detective

I'm not a JW, never have been. I'm here because I have a link to them. A friend. Maybe you don't care that they have policies in place that severely limit a persons ability to grow and reason. Maybe you aren't particularly concerned with the death toll they've stacked up with their crazy blood/transplant issues. Maybe you don't care about the people struggling everyday to be accepted and loved only to face disappointment time and again. What can I say? I do care.

I wouldn't have known any real facts about the organization if I had relied on my JW friend to tell me information. My friend cannot be honest with himself, let alone me. I wouldn't know the healthcare restrictions, the cover ups, the misquotes or the ever-changing dates if sites like this hadn't existed. Would you rather there be no information available? Why? Because you aren't involved anymore so it doesn't matter?

I've seen the toll this high control group takes on people. It isn't right. I'm grateful to people who contribute to sites like this. These sites are very helpful.

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I WONDER IF SHE's A JW...

by Mister Biggs in

rape is a terrible, traumatic event.. i just wonder if she was a jw and she had placed some mags with him and he was acting like he was returning them.

or.... if he was posing as a jw.. daily trust (abuja).

march 25, 2002 .

detective

Yes, but did she scream? If not, it was fornication. At least, that's what the 'tower says. Or are they back to the stance that not screaming during rape does not necessarily mean fornication? I can't keep their stance on this straight.

f-cking bastards.

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History of disfellowshippings (Biblically)

by MavMan in

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first expulsion: adam and eve.

first disfellowshipping: cain.

biblical practice, got any questions?

detective

Mav,
when you have time could you please provide the clarifications I asked for earlier in this thread. I'm still not sure where you are coming from on this.

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History of disfellowshippings (Biblically)

by MavMan in

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first expulsion: adam and eve.

first disfellowshipping: cain.

biblical practice, got any questions?

detective

First expulsion: Adam and Eve

Adam and Eve were physically removed from Paradise, right?
Paradise= place. God sends 'em packing. If you are likening expulsion from a physical place to disfellowshipping or excommunication then paradise=congregation to you, Mav? In which case, remind me again where are disfellowshipped ones encouraged to be? At meetings, no?

I'm not really sure what you are getting here perhaps you can explain it a wee bit better?

First disfellowshipping: Cain

Again, I'm unclear on the difference you are trying to make between expulsion and disfellowshipping? But... a couple of questions: Who disfellowshipped cain? (and jokingly... did he appeal the judicial committees finding?)

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Do you have instant messager service?

by butalbee in

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i know a thread has been posted before, if i could find it, i wouldn't be posting a replica of the same thing.... do you have any messager service?

like yahoo, msn, or aol?.

on msn: i am hotdotbaby.

detective

Beans,
are you a Lindy Hopper? (swingnshag?)