Are you happy?

by teejay 39 Replies latest jw friends

  • teejay
    teejay

    In the context of this forum, happiness at its core is generally defined in one of two ways: a) Being a Witness or, b) Not being a Witness. Most of us consider ourselves happier since leaving the Organization. Because of a recent discussion between VioletAnai and Marilyn, I've thought about it some more, only to reaffirm the truth I already discovered some time ago.

    Black/white. Up/down. Left/right. Happiness/being a JW. Einstein's Theory of Relativity comes into play here maybe? It all depends on where you sit – your point of view, your frame of reference. Emphasis on ... "your."

    Since I've been posting here, the voices of interminable rage have died down a little on this issue (or moved on ), but I still can't help but get a sense that there are those still around who feel that anyone who'd purposely CHOOSE to be a JW just really don't want to be happy – are some sort of raving idiot that needs to get a clue.

    Because of our personal experience juxtaposed with what we NOW know, many here would find living life in the organization unbearable, especially since finding out many of the long-hidden secrets that shows the Society to be a little less than what it claims to be. Add to that the list of don'ts that impinge on the freedoms that most non-Witnesses take for granted and the question "Are you happy?" becomes a no-brainer.
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    Ex-Dubs remember life as a Dub:

    No quiet, guilt-free Sundays spent at the beach or at home on the patio reading the paper or watching sports. No fun-filled holiday celebrations with family and friends. A frown from the "elite" if one sends their kids to schools of higher learning – surely a sign of weak faith. Limited choices at the hospital when unforeseen tragedies occur to our children. Restricted fun and spontaneity in the bedroom, even if you're married.

    With all those negatives in mind, ex-Dubs say, "Hell yeah, I'm happier now! I don't have to put up with all that bullshit anymore."

    But hold on... not so fast.

    True, living life under those conditions sounds intolerable, so what person in their right mind would live that way, if given the choice? And if someone did, could they reasonably consider themselves happy?

    Well... it all depends on your point of view. As it is with many other areas of life, where you sit, who you are, what you want all play a part in that elusive goal of "happiness."
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    I know a man...

    When I read Ray's Crisis of Conscience, I thought of Aaron first. The very next time I saw him, I gave him my highlighted and underlined copy of the book. As it did for me, it was the last thing he needed to hear to set him off on his merry way in peace. Like me, it set him free... to live.

    He's 39 now, lives in a half-million dollar house in an exclusive addition in North Dallas. The size of his bedroom suite would cover half of my entire house. There's a heated pool out back... with a diving board! I'd guess he owns fifty suits, twenty pairs of dress shoes. (I laughed out loud, and he laughed with me, the first time I saw his closet – so big!) In the mornings, he has to pick which car he wants to drive to work (at the multi-million dollar company he started). Will it be the 'family' car – the silver 500 series Mercedes? Or the 'fun' car – the black Boxster Porshe?

    He *should* be happy. Right? Wouldn't YOU be? For twenty points... is Aaron happy?

    Care to guess again?
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    Then there's my Mama, the Dub...

    Never, not once in her 70 years, owned her own home (why own one now when she can have the home of her dreams in the New World?). Raised six kids by herself – got few breaks in life. Even in old age she works part time since her retirement doesn't quite cover the bills (but it's all temporary... the NW is coming!). Her aches and pains are real... she does her best to alleviate them... but hey!... in the NW, Jah will take care of everything. In the meantime, she spends time with friends who think like her, talks like her, sings (badly... horribly) like her, doing things she and they like to do. Has every reason to be unhappy. Right? RIGHT?
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    I use these two people as examples only because I know them personally. I didn't read about them... didn’t hear about them... didn't see news reports on some TV program. I've spent many days and nights in Aaron's high-dollar home, swam in his pool, was among the very first to drive his Boxster (yippee!!!). We've known each other a long time – spent a lot of time together over the years. I've also had some experience with my mother.

    My challenge is: Spend time with my mom. Just a little time. Then spend time with Aaron. Listen to the sound of their voices. If you're too busy to do that, just look at very recent photos of the two and try to see who's "happy." Really happy. See the smiles that go to the bone on the woman's face, and the look of constant concern on the man's, the man on Easy Street. I dare say, most, when forced to give an answer, would answer the same. The big question is...

    Why?

  • larc
    larc

    Teejay,

    That is a very interesting question. I have thought about this very question a lot. I am perplexed as you are, over the fact that some very successful people don't seem to be very happy and some very humble people seem to be quite content.

    Here is what I have concluded. For most people, they seem to be born with a certain amount of happiness, and it doesn't change much through life, no matter what their circumstance, short of total disaster.

    I believe that severe deprivation or abuse can stunt a person's natural level of happiness. I do not believe that great financial success can increase a person's level of happiness over what they were born with.

    Well, I know that is brief and perhaps a radical idea. I might come back tomorrow and fill in some reasons for my thinking, but for now I have to go, because the hour is late, and I am getting sleepy.

  • rekless
    rekless

    i'm happy as can be. I just can not understand why so many faithful JWs are taking prozac since they are suppose to have all the answers centered around a woderful paradise as their answer.

    Hell is truth seen too late. H.G.Adams

  • teejay
    teejay

    Rekless,

    How do you know you're happy?

  • Prisca
    Prisca

    I believe in alot of ways, life is what you make it. Some people know how to do this, others don't have the resources to achieve what they want.

    If you're not happy, then work out why. What is missing from the equation?

    I can say I am definitely happier since I left the Borg. I was spiritually sick when I was a JW. I didn't believe in some of the doctrines, doctrines I felt compelled to support, although I couldn't consciensiously support them in my heart.

    But I'm not 100% happy, and I don't expect to be. There are things in my life that I'd like to change, and many of them I am currently working on.

    There are some things in my life that I can't change, but what I can change is how I react to them and whether I let them affect my happiness.

    So am I happy? Pretty much so.

  • happy man
    happy man

    Very good post teejay,I think this was the best i ever read on this site,some very good qestions you point out.
    You see my nickname,i am JW .Service for exampel, when ýou been out talking to peopel meet any who live in a mess, and show them tho hope of the kingdom, and see who they have a new life, i think this feeling you have then , and the happiness you feel cant compere widh anything,i have my one company, and two years i was wery rich beaucause my stocks,was i happy no i was worried , and no the stocks brok down and the money is gone, so we now money is not the clu, the hope , freinds , feeling good widh follow bibellaws,in that way i think being a JW has been o good help to mee, if i not have been a JW i think i not have this thing hold mee back, to for exampel dont bee to greedy,dont bee unfaithfull to my wife, follwing this bibel laws have been a tremendus help for my life,ofcourse, when i read here i see things as i didnt now,but if i leave will i beee happy?
    What will happend,i have several JW working for mee, i have the whole family inn the truth,perhaps i will lose my firm, all my friends ,my wife,my beliefe, AND MY HAPYNESS is this a offer who is to bigg, i think soo.
    This is a very bigg issu and thanks a lot for taking it up.

  • Prisca
    Prisca

    BTW teejay, is your friend single???

  • Abaddon
    Abaddon

    I think that to draw any conclusion from your Ma and Aaron alone would be hasty. You're dealing with a question much larger than JW's and xJW's.

    For a start we have expectations and perceptions of happiness. If I have x I'll be happy. I must be happy because of y. Now, just because we think that, doesn't mean that it is true.

    "I'll be happy when I am rich".

    Maybe, maybe not, as money might remove some worries, but that's a different thing to giving you hapiness. I think Aaron has found this, but cannot comment on why he's not happy as I don't know the guy and I am but a dime-store shrink and psycho-babbler anyway. I'm quite happy nowadays, and don't see 'winning the lottery' changing this unless I let winning the lottery change me, so obviously money and happiness are not totally linked.

    "I must be happy because I am one of Jehovah's people, performing a special in-gathering task in these times of the end, and this, and the prospect of being one of what will be a special group of people, Armagedon survivors, is good reason to be happy! Look at the bountious table of spiritual food laid before us at the meetings!"

    Now, for your mum, this seems to work. For others this is a lip-service, a life of dull drudgery, a life of never being good enough, and, some of us believe, a life built on a sequence of cunningly presented and attractive lies. Thus. being a Dub and happiness are not totally linked.

    This is why the comments about inbuilt factors are so important.

    I've been depressed. I've lain under a two-ton duvet too sad to move. I've let weeks or months drift by in an apathetic haze. Some of that time I was a JW. Some of that time I was out. For me, I know when the clocks go back, I need to really try to keep psychologically healthy or I will realise in December that I am and have been feeling down for weeks. Now, NOTHING has changed between August and December in this example, everything is pretty much the same. But in August I am happy and in December I am sad.

    Many people have similar experiences. Some aren't influenced by seasons, they have some other cycle going, or don't have any detectable cycle. But there's more than enough life-experiences and data to show that happiness is a complex combination of internal and external factors.

    Sometimes it is as simple as figuring out what is missing. Sometimes it is as simple as feeling sad to the depths of your bones for no real reason.

    Personally though, I would rather know the truth about The Truth and be sad than not know and be artificially happy. I think it's sad if people rely on drugs for happiness... a happiness based on misinformation is as futile and potentially damaging as one based on pharmacuticals.

    Nice thread everyone.

  • LittleToe
    LittleToe

    As a JW I was mainly happy.
    As an ex-JW I'm happier.

    My only real change in circumstances is a little more freedom (mental and spiritual, as well as physical).

    I think your examples are a little extreme.
    You should really be trying to compare like with like.
    If your mammy's part time job was running a multi-million dollar company, I think she might have a few more frown-lines, too.

  • Englishman
    Englishman

    The term "happiness" seems a little vague to me, a bit too general if you like.

    How about the "Mmm" when I eat something tasty, is that happiness?

    When I send some cast-iron guttering crashing to the ground after battling with it for 10 minutes, is that feeling of satisfaction happiness?

    What about when England put the first goal in against Italy last night and we all shouted "YEEEES!", was that happiness?

    See, I think that happiness comes from having enough experiences like that, having sufficient satisfaction. My dub Mum is happy being a JW, it gives her a ready-made social life, it gives her boundaries that she has to operate within, just like when she was a little girl.

    I, on the other hand, found those boundaries irksome, being a witness was stifling to me, I felt as though I was suffocating emotionally, my learning was all done for me, there was no adventure available, no challenges, not even the thrill of the flirtation chase. The benefits did not outweigh the negatives for me, so I could never be happy being a witness.

    Now that I think about it, I don't see how any colourful personality could stay a happy witness for long.

    Englishman.

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