Posts by detective

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Help a lurking dub with doubts

by undercover in

i've been lurking about, checking out some of the evidence against the wtbs.

i am currently inactive but still an approved/baptized member.

i have seen all the 1914/607bce evidence; the blood transfusion quandry evidence; the current child abuse problem evidence and several other things that are damning to the wt doctrines.

detective

In the terminology of the DUBS, they are worldy and have no understanding of the real meaning of this site.

Breeze, the site indicates that all those who are interested can join in. Nowhere does it indicate that you must have been a witness to be here. I haven't read a "worldly" post yet that indicated that the poster knew exactly what it was like to walk in JW shoes. Some "worldly" types like Hawkaw for example, have been instrumental in gathering information in the UN debacle. Besides, if a "worldly" person is here, you may want to find out why that is rather than down them for their presence. In my case, I probably wouldn't have ended up here if JWism hadn't entered my life by association. I've always been interested in religions and issues of faith, but I hadn't really given JWs much thought over the years. I'm glad I found this place. It's given me alot of answers and much insight.

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Are we wrong to attack the Elders?

by MARTINLEYSHON in

jw
friends

i see a number of board members alluding to the elders as antagonists.

this is amoral.

there is an inference that these ones ( elders ) can think for themselves, they cannot.

detective

Whether you believe it right or wrong to be critical of the elders, it is hardly "amoral" to be critical. I'm not sure how someone would feel that having a complaint equates to lacking morality?

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JW's, no worse than anyone else?

by sleepy in

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friends

as far as i can see most jw's no worse than anyone else on this planet.

humans are often in "conflict" with the opinions of other humans , believing their ideal is "right" while others are "wrong".in general the people that make up jehovahs witness, that is seperate from those leading ,are often trying to do their best to do what they think is right.this sometimes leads them to do things i believe are wrong even .but so do many other people and groups do things i think are wrong.am i the only one who is right?i think not.there are no rules to being human just choices, some based on what some feel to be scientific reality other on spiritual fealing other on something else.

who desides what is the best, is there even a best way of life?so while i belive jw's are factualy wrong and this causes them to do , what seem to me to be illogical things so do most other people just in different ways.edited by - sleepy on 1 october 2002 14:17:32.

detective

If you are saying they are no worse than any other cult, I might agree with you. If you are saying they are no worse than any other religion, I disagree with you.

Are than any worse than Heaven's Gate with it's encouraged suicide? Or the People's Temple with it's encouraged mass suicide?

Organ Transplant bans. Blood bans.

You tell me, are they any worse than any other cult?

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Attack, attack, attack

by bomatt6 in

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friends

it seems that all that you apostates can do is attack and call names when others don't agree with you.. so hey, what do we expect from evil doers.. you are not good people!!!!!.

you are bad people.. .

so attack, attack, atttack the apostates.

detective

*yawn*

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Discrediting Credibility - Telling Stories Safely

by Celtic in

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friends

it has long appeared to me that some here within this community and possibly lurkers too might find this forum a toally unsafe platform upon which to let their personal stories be told for fear of attack, disbelief or other derogatory and unsavoury comments, even on behalf of those ones who really should know better.. now, why is it these days, and i'm sure i'm not the only one who experiences this, that i feel that i do not want to tell publicly my full personal story and/or experience relating to upbringing with the jw's?

why am i fearful of attack?

why am i fearful of disbelief?

detective

Sneetches.

Nothing like the us versus them mentality.

I'm going to go have a cup of tea now.

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Dungbeetle's Review of the NY March

by teejay in

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friends

i got dungbeetle's persmission to post this here.

it's very good.... ====================================================================.

i almost feel sorry for the watchtower .

detective

Thank you Dungbeetle.

You have this way about you...

I've always been drawn to your posts. Hope you are well.

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I'm not a JW, but i've got some questions.

by iamtaylormh in

i'm not a jehovahs witness...i dont know what i am.

when i was younger and my parents were divorced, i celibrated different religions with each family, attending many differnet churches, from methodist, to catholic, to christian and so on.

as a result, i was unable to seperate the beliefs of each religion and not really understand what i believed in and where i belonged.

detective

Taylor,

please try reading up quite heavily on this group before you even THINK about joining.

You will find a wealth of information here about JWs.

As an outsider, I'd also recommend you check out some websites by two leading cult experts:

www.freedomofmind.com

www.rickross.com

I'll bet you weren't aware that experts in the field of cult study consider Jehovahs witnesses to be a cult, huh? Well, I wasn't either, until I started doing some research. why? Well, like you, i became friendly with a witness(es). After awhile, I heard one too many strange, uncharacteristic things come out of my friend's mouth. I got curious, I started poking around and...

let's just say I will NEVER join the Jehovah's Witnesses. That'd be NEVER! But make an educated decision for yourself by reading everything you can get your hands on related to this topic. Good luck in your research!

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Dateline/Panorama/Silent Lambs, Whats Changed?

by conoroberst in

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friends

so now in the space of a few short months television programmes on national networks in the us, uk, canada and australia.

we see regular newspaper articles and radio phone ins on the subject.

but is anything changing?

detective

Well, say it doesn't do anything. I mean nothing at all besides make the organizers of marches and a small number of victims feel a bit better. Now if that's the only good to come of these tireless efforts than that's something. At least, it's something to me anyway. Maybe it won't even make a dent, I don't know. But it's worth something that people tried. So, at the very least, that's still pretty special in my opinion.

Of course, I do think it will make a difference in the larger sense as well. But even if it only serves to bring comfort to those affected by this terrible situation, that's still something to be pleased about.

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