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UNITED NATIONS , NGO's and WTBS

by MacHislopp in

following the link given by kent,.

i have several observation to make:.

(from the link : http://www.un.org/moreinfo/ngolink/brochure.htm).

detective

I put this on another thread but want to re-post it here. Is anyone contacting the press about this issue?
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Are there any brave souls out there who want to drop a dime. I don't know how specific some of these are but it's worth a try. You'll note they are local to my area (except the A.P.) Unfortunately, for reasons I won't get into yet, I can't drop the dime myself. Any takers?
The Boston Globe:

[email protected]

"news tip from extranet" should be your email header.

For the Boston Herald:

Tips or comments call
(617) 619-6789

The Christian Science Monitor:

The newsroom address and phone number:
The Christian Science Monitor
1 Norway Street
Boston, MA 02115
617.450.7034
To send a letter to the editor, email [email protected] <mailto: [email protected]>.

THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

International Headquarters
50 Rockefeller Plaza
New York, N.Y. 10020

MAIN NUMBER
212-621-1500
(Couldn't find anything more specific)

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UN - WTS lionk hits National Press

by Trilobite in

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friends

anyone see this: ( http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,3604,565005,00.html

detective

Are there any brave souls out there who want to drop a dime. I don't know how specific some of these are but it's worth a try. You'll note they are local to my area (except the A.P.) Unfortunately, for reasons I won't get into yet, I can't drop the dime myself. Any takers?

The Boston Globe:

[email protected]

"news tip from extranet" should be your email header.

For the Boston Herald:

Tips or comments call
(617) 619-6789

The Christian Science Monitor:

The newsroom address and phone number:
The Christian Science Monitor
1 Norway Street
Boston, MA 02115
617.450.7034
To send a letter to the editor, email [email protected] <mailto: [email protected]>.

THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

International Headquarters
50 Rockefeller Plaza
New York, N.Y. 10020

MAIN NUMBER
212-621-1500
(Couldn't find anything more specific)

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Need Help Locating Poem (on Suicide)

by AMNESIAN in

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friends

radar's post of the lyrics to the theme from m*a*s*h* reminded me of a poem i read in 10th grade english (or american) literature 35 years ago.

i don't recall the title and have for years tried to find it and read it again.

especially strong did the desire hit me to read it over the last several years as i was desperately struggling to remain a jw in spite of the indescribable misery i was suffering.. the entire poem, until the very last stanza(s), went on in great detail for some length describing what appeared---from all outward indicators--- to be the perfect life of a very happy man.

detective

Hi,
try www.emule.com That's a poetry site where you can post about the poem in question. Just post what you remember and see if anyone can help.

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Moral dilemna...personal integrity vs

by Makena1 in

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friends

following the rules of a corrupt belief system?.

this is a post from my wife sabine and me:.

over the past three years we have come to the conclusion that the org is corrupt and fosters unreasonable expectations.

detective

It's important to think about this from a psychological perspective as well. It may be that a person is struggling within and cannot fully come to terms with it. As a result, they may act out or assume a double life. For those struggling, we could write them off to being hypocrites or we could consider that they are trying to gather the strength to find out who they are. Some will lead double lives without a second thought. They may not feel the pain of true inner struggle but rather wonder how much they can get away with as long as it suits their needs. Others will struggle under a constrictive environment created by the cult. They will feel constantly at odds and may "try out" the outside world to get a better sense of where they stand. This type of double life will tear them apart and eventually they will make choice. Still others will recognize the witnesses for what they are and pretend so that they can keep a foot in while trying to get others out. Let's face it, you have alot to lose when you considering breaking the rules or leaving. Yes, there are people who are probably devoid of basic human integrity and will never apologize for their hypocrisy but I can't believe all the ones leading double lives are like that. Instead, I believe they are questioning but are too afraid to bring it out into the open or are not prepared YET to do that. The organization tries to squash people's freedom to make choices by attaching major penalties. It's a rare person who can just stand up and defy the organization before they test the waters in some fashion.
Surprisingly, my struggle with this comes in door to door preaching. Those that have doubts or know the score, are they responsible for enslaving others just because the are frightened and cannot stand up against the organization to do what they know is right?
It'd be too easy to condemn people outright for their hypocrisy. Although there are plenty of people who probably deserve it. I find it unacceptable that the higher powers in the organization itself are so wholly hypocritical. However, they are different than most rank and file members in that they encourage organizational-wide hypocrisy for their own empowerment. Hypocrisy breeds hypocrisy. But let's not forget that many of the rank and file are victims trying to supress their natural urges for freedom.

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THIS IS NOT AN OFFICIAL JEHOVAH'S WITNESS SITE

by nyc_gal in

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friends

this site is not an official website of jehovah's .

witnesses.

i cannot believe some of the horrible things i have read here.

detective

Thank you for clearing that up, NYC Gal.
Okay folks, pack it in! We can all sign off now!

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Exit Counseling: Your experiences?

by detective in

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friends

since the topic came up on another thread, let's give it a go of it's own.

what experiences have you had with exit counselling?

have you tried to counsel others?

detective

Hi,
since the topic came up on another thread, let's give it a go of it's own. What experiences have you had with exit counselling? Have you tried to counsel others? Any success? What have you tried? What worked/failed?

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help with ngo!!!

by mindfield in

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friends

hi everyone!

well, im a newbie here, so ill make this short!

ive showed my mom the ngo status the watchtower shared with the un for 10 years now... of course, shes now denying it was a bad decision... she says the un is bad as a whole, but joining in as an ngo is okay since its not directly with the un... any tips?

detective

Well, in defense of all those who may have shot themselves in the foot I'd like to offer my experience. I have read both books by Steve Hassan, numerous articles on cult thought, tons of history and research on the organization and additional biblical companions/guides. That, combined with visiting site after site on the organization. I had been actively dropping subtle hints to get my friends wheels turning but did so in such a way that my friend didn't even notice. Finally, I knew I was getting the heave-ho for creating "dissonance", not for anything I doing, mind you, but just for the fact that I exist outside the realm of the organization. So I knew I had only one last chance left. Was it how I wanted it to be? Did it go exactly as I planned? Nope. All I can do is hope that my words had some effect. Sowing those seeds, if you will. I guess I'll see how that turns out in the end.
I guess my point is that every situation is different. If you jump the gun here or there, all is not necessarily lost. Or, you could do everything perfectly and have it backfire. No guarantees. I think you're right to encourage people to be careful and not rush into exit counselling, but let's not decimate someone who cared enough to try to get the ball rolling. They'll be kicking themselves if it really screwed things up, so we don't need to add to it. This isn't a situation most people are prepared for- this getting someone out of a cult! Maybe we should start a thread devoted to tips on exit-counselling. I'd offer to start it myself but after my recent foray into it, I'd rather let someone who can absolutely say they were successful start such a thread. Unfortunately, for the moment, I have no idea of my "success rate". Aw heck, maybe I'll start the thread and people can give some insights...

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annointed, part of this world, war, signs - HELP!

by concerned fiance in

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friends

hi, in a continued effort to educate my fiance and open his eyes, i am trying to understand how to refute certain things he has said and get proof of some of the issues that i have read on various threads here over the past week.

please, please, can people answer back on how i should respond.... 1. in franz's book, he doesn't come out and say that he was one of the annointed, but yet he accepted a position as a member of the gb (my fiance spoke to franz last week and asked him a question regarding being annointed, to which franz answered "well, i had the a heavenly hope that i was annointed.." well, that threw my fiance off and now he doubts whether franz ever truly believed he was annointed.

i have told him that noone can ever prove if they were annointed, but he says that the annointed "just know, they have that feeling and know without a doubt that they will be in heaven with god and jesus.

detective

Concerned,
Try the United Nations thing. Have the website and phone number ready. It is so significant. Read the UN/NGO thread. It's big news. And it's a real eye-opener!

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Fallout Over The WT-UN Contraversey

by Ranchette in

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friends

yes, fallout has already begun (literally)over the wt-un contraversey!.

a long time jw friend of ours told my husband today that he has already disassociated himself from the organization after seeing the proof of wt's immoral affair with the beast.. this was the last straw for him.. i wonder how many others this info is going to effect this way?.

we will see.. ranchette

detective

I've posted this on another thread but I'll tell it again. My JW friend was fairly unphased by the news that the watchtower was riding the back of the beast. He chaulked it up to "lying is okay if it furthers the preaching work". He may not get the implications of it all. Some rank and file members might not really be able to understand the significance of the U.N. finding! In reality, I had slapped him with a variety of things he didn't know about his own religion so I'm sure he was reeling over the "new light" he had received already and couldn't get a grasp on magnitude of all the information. It seems like it's a losing battle what with the terrorist attacks and his overwhelming fear be capitalized on by the organization. The only hope I have is that I planted a seed of thought that will grow at some point. On the up side, the witnesses are gossiping about the U.N. banning all religion so I know that he won't be able to hear the talk of the United Nations without having a little something nagging at the back of his mind.

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A picture of heaven on earth.....

by Stealth in

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friends

http://www.pagesbyjustme.com/lake82.html .

be sure to turn your speakers up as you enjoy.

if you scoll down you will see the reflection of gods glory as the word "watchtower" sparkels in the hudson bay.

detective

It's not idoltry. Repeat after me, it's not idoltry. It's not idoltry. Really, it's not idoltry. Keep repeating this phrase until you believe it.