Its a ritual.
catbert
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tired and disappointed with the door to door
by buffalosrfree inheard my spouse utter those words today, nice words couldn't have been said, spouse is starting to realize that all that work in the d-d isn't paying off for those at the door nor for those knocking.
have been waiting for this for a long time
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could jw's prove their beliefs without watchtower literature?
by atpeace ini was pondering this question today.
i thought it might be an interesting tactic to use with my family.
if i simply asked that they prove all beliefs by the bible alone.. growing up - every time discipline or counsel was given - it was based on getting out the bound volumes.
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catbert
Get an active JW to explain this:
Isaiah 44:6
6 “This is what Jehovah has said, the King of Israel and the Repurchaser of him,
Jehovah of armies, ‘I am the first and I am the last, and besides me there is no God.
Notice Jehovah calls himself the "first and the last", and there is no other god but him.
JW's version of John 1:1
1 In [the] beginning the Word was, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god.
JW's teach that Jesus was a god, but Isaiah 44:6 says there is no other god but Jehovah.
Revelation 2:8
8 “And to the angel of the congregation in Smyr´na write: These are the things that he says,
‘the First and the Last,’ who became dead and came to life [again],
This is Jesus talking, since he he was dead and came back to life. Notice Jesus calls himself the
fist and the last. Jehovah also calls himself the "first and the last". I imagine JW's teach they are
"first and last" in different ways, but when I was a JW, the comparison of these three scriptures bothered me. -
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Noah's ark - Can't believe I once actually thought it was true
by sam_sane_now inwhen i was a jw i didn't even question that the noah's ark story might not be true.
i didn't realise that it wasn't achievable for a handful of people to gather literally millions of animals - two of each kind - and fit them into a boat where they would all survive for many days.
i didn't think about the fact that if the highest mountain was covered with water then how could plant life like trees and flowers come to exist again, especially so soon after, with the raven grabbing an olive leaf was it?
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catbert
It was a miracle that the animals survived the trip in the ark.
So what does Noah do when he finally lands on dry land?
He builds an alter and starts burning animals.
Genesis 8:20
And Noah builded an altar unto the LORD; and took of every
clean beast, and of every clean fowl, and offered burnt
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Why I post about atheism
by nvrgnbk inoftentimes the accusation is made that there is some sort of conspiracy on jwd amongst the atheists to convert, humiliate, spit on, or otherwise degrade the believers.
it's been suggested that their tone is condescending and arrogant.. it's hinted at that they're angry and bitter about their own lives and want to take it out on god and his humble servants.. others think it's all just an excuse to lead what they judge to be a morally depraved life.. regardless of what we believe about god's existence or lack thereof, most rational adults understand that when we attempt to judge the motives of others we can miss by a mile.. so here's the reason i post about the topic of atheism.... i was born as one of jehovah's witnesses, fourth generation.
i was being indoctrinated with jehovah while i was still in the womb.
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catbert
Jgnat,
Where does my desire to play music or listen to music come from?
Are you implying that our desire for justice is given to us from God?
I think there are things that are loveable, and we try to protect them. Things that we hate, we try to destroy. -
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Why I post about atheism
by nvrgnbk inoftentimes the accusation is made that there is some sort of conspiracy on jwd amongst the atheists to convert, humiliate, spit on, or otherwise degrade the believers.
it's been suggested that their tone is condescending and arrogant.. it's hinted at that they're angry and bitter about their own lives and want to take it out on god and his humble servants.. others think it's all just an excuse to lead what they judge to be a morally depraved life.. regardless of what we believe about god's existence or lack thereof, most rational adults understand that when we attempt to judge the motives of others we can miss by a mile.. so here's the reason i post about the topic of atheism.... i was born as one of jehovah's witnesses, fourth generation.
i was being indoctrinated with jehovah while i was still in the womb.
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catbert
My conversations with individuals who have grown up with the internet have shown me that they are more skeptical about religion than my generation.
As we get older, it becomes less important what we think since the younger generation will shape the future.
I see a rising tide of skepticism brought on by free and open exchange of information. -
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My Beliefs on Spirtualism
by Vincent init was suggested by someone to share my beliefs on spirtualism ever since i left the jw i no longer believe what the bible says.
however i don't do things like the occult or use a ouija board.
from the age of 11 i was interested in spiritualism through my brother who practiced out of body experiences, a lot of people have to see it to belive it really as many religions like the jehovah's witnesses says it is all work of satan aka lucifer, fraud or hoax.
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catbert
From another forum:
I think high dose mushrooms is still more spiritual then LSD, though that's only an opinion.
That spiritual awakening just makes me think "Why aren't we like this all the time, full of love, wonder and pure bliss??". Is there ANY reason why we can't be? Does it come purely down to a chemical basis?
If there IS a God, he should of created us in a perfect psychedelic dream state rather then our "normal" conciousness. -
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E-mail to JW Ex-Wife: What You Can Learn Researching the WTS in 3 Hours!
by Seeker4 ini posted a thread earlier this week about a conversation i had with my jw ex-wife.
the next day i sent her this e-mail.
one should never be afraid of ideas.
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catbert
Sirnose,
As regards the flood and a letter to the society:
http://www.dimaggio.org/Heretic/1st_corr.htm -
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Where do atheists' morals come from?
by dorayakii inmany theists believe that atheists have no morality at all.
they argue that because atheists dont believe in the laws, limitations and boundaries that god has set up for us, there's nothing stopping them from becoming violent, lying thieving sociopaths.
there have been many stories of people who have "found god" and changed their life, giving up drugs, repenting for past crimes.
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catbert
Why do we get so attached to our pets? They are just animals. And sometimes when they die or we have to put them down, we get physically ill. Also, have you ever noticed you think creatures with big eyes are cute, but things with no eyes or beady eyes are not so cute. Why is it easier to beat a snake or a spyder to death, but beating a kitten or a puppy do death is very difficult for most people. Its those cute eyes and that cute behavior. Somewhere in our past, we started looking with fondness into the eyes of our fellow creatures. Maybe a good question to ask is, what makes something loveable, and what makes something an object of hatred.
Most sociopaths get their start by torturing and killing animals. They are missing that fondness the rest of us feel for loveable creatures. -
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A New Theory of the Universe
by BurnTheShips inrobert lanza has literally written the book on stem cell science and delves into the issue of consciousness, reality, and a biocentric view of the universe.. .
while i was sitting one night with a poet friend watching a great opera performed in a tent under arc lights, the poet took my arm and pointed silently.
why does the universe exist?
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catbert
What I like about The Elegant Universe by Brian Greene is, no math!
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A New Theory of the Universe
by BurnTheShips inrobert lanza has literally written the book on stem cell science and delves into the issue of consciousness, reality, and a biocentric view of the universe.. .
while i was sitting one night with a poet friend watching a great opera performed in a tent under arc lights, the poet took my arm and pointed silently.
why does the universe exist?
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catbert
Zensim,
You seem very humble. An excellent book for average people like you and I is:
E=Mc2: A Biography of the World's Most Famous Equation
by David Bodanis
Its sort of a history book that covers all the discoveries of the big hitters like Maxwell, Einstein, and all the people they stood on the shoulders of.
You can get it for a few bucks on half.com.
Another very good book in my opinion is "A Short History of Nearly Everything" by Bill Bryson.
It shows how miraculous it is that we are here at all. Some christains use it to promote intelligent design.
From the wiki:
"A Short History deviates from Bryson's popular travel book genre, instead describing general sciences such as chemistry, paleontology, astronomy, and particle physics.
Bill Bryson wrote this book because he was dissatisfied with his scientific knowledge — that was, not much at all. He writes that science was a distant, unexplained subject at school. Textbooks and teachers alike did not ignite the passion for knowledge in him, mainly because they never delved in the whys, hows, and whens."