i wondered if you could answer this question for me?
you seem to be fine with the fact that they are false prophets, that they have changed the bible and that they have entered into an agreement to "uphold the aims of the un".. what is the deal breaker for you?.
i suspect that there isn't one, and that is not a reasonable position.. please tell me there is something they could do that would make you question their legitamacy?.
I have found it interesting how a JW defends the organisation on the basis that it is not political and that individuals do not get involved in politics. Yet the reality is that some of the books of the bible were written by Kings, is it therefore reasonable that a Christian should not be involved in politics?
Paul
lee i wish you a very happy birthday.
thanks for all you do for others.
i hope you will have many many,more .
Happy birthday to you!
Paul
when i got home from work tonight i was told my neighbor's daughter had commited suicide.
the daughter lived several hours from here and i had only met her a couple of times over the years, so i didn't know her at all really.
from what i understand the daughter had struggled with substance abuse problems for a long time.
So sorry.
Paul
the good wife's guide.
* have dinner ready.
plan ahead, even the night before, to have a delicious meal ready, and on time, for his return.
The Good Wife's Guide
* Have dinner ready. Plan ahead, even the night before, to have a delicious meal ready, and on time, for his return. This is a way of letting him know you have been thinking about him and are concerned about his needs. Most men are hungry when they come home and the prospect of a good meal (especially his favorite dish) is part of the warm welcome needed.
* Prepare yourself. Take 15 minutes to rest so you will be refreshed when he arrives. Touch up your make-up, put a ribbon in your hair, and be fresh looking. He has just been with a lot of work-weary people.
* Be a little gay and a little more interesting for him. His boring day may need a lift and one of your duties is to provide it.
* Clear away the clutter. Make one last trip through the main part of the house just before your husband arrives.
* Gather up schoolbooks, toys, paper etc and then run a dustcloth over the tables.
* Over the cooler months of the year you should prepare and light a fire for him to unwind by. Your husband will feel he has reached a haven of rest and order, and it will give you a lift too. After all, catering for his comfort will provide you with immense personal satisfaction.
* Prepare the children. Take a few minutes to wash the children's hands and face (if they are small), comb their hair, and if necessary change their clothes. They are little treasures, and he would like to see them playing the part. Mimimize all noise. At the time of his arrival eliminate all noise of the washer, dryer or vaccuum. Try to encourage the children to be quiet.
* Be happy to see him.
* Greet him with a warm smile, and show sincerity in your desire to please him.
*Listen to him. You may have a dozen important things to tell him, but the moment of his arrival is not the time. Let him talk first. Remember- his topics of conversation are more important than yours.
* Make the evening his. Never complain if he comes home late, or goes out to dinner, or other places of entertainment without you. Instead, try to understand his world of strain and pressure and his very real need to be home and relax.
* Your goal: try to make sure your home is a place of peace, order and tranquility where your husband can renew himself in body and spirit.
* Don't greet him with complaints and problems.
* Don't complain if he comes home late for dinner or if he even stays out all night. Count this as minor compared to what he might have gone through that day.
* Make him comfortable. Have him lean back in a comfortable chair, or lie down in the bedroom. Have a cool or warm drink ready for him.
* Arrange his pillow and offer to take off his shoes. Speak in a low, soothing and pleasant voice.
* Don't ask him questions about his actions or question his judgement, or integrity. Remember he is the master of the house, and as such will always exercise his will with fairness and truthfulness. You have no right to question him.
* A good wife always knows her place.
my wife and i sent my 22 yr.old pioneer witness daughter and her husband a anniversary card and $ 40.00 and flowers the end of april.
my daughter wrote mrs. flipper and me each our own individual letters thanking us initially for the gifts - and then went into detail as to why she has not spoken to me for over a year and shunned me.. keep in mind as i paraphrase some of the highlights to these letters that the only negative thing i have said about the organization to my daughter in 3 years was to show her the ap news release about the child abuse settlements by the wt society .
i'll quote parts of the letter to mrs. flipper first :.
Hi Mr Flipper
22 years old is young, please remember that. She may begin to start thinking for herself later in life, all ican say is keep on doing what you are doing. Send her flowers, send her presents, keep writing to her. You already have a letter from her after giving her an anniversary gift, look at this as a positive. She sounds as if she loves you and thinks of you alot, keep this in mind when responding, if you respond to her with your own beliefs about the org then she may back off.
Well done for what you have done already, i'm sure you will not give up. I hope and pray you get your daughter back.
Paul
just wanted to post here to say i am now 1 year sober.
funny thing is i don't miss drink at all, it took a 3 or 4 months of hard work about 18 months ago and have not looked back since.. this is my first thread about the aa, posted january 2008.. http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/150354/1/went-to-aa-meeting-last-night.
i would encourage anyone who thinks they may have a problem to get help, it is out there.. since i have become sober i am now doing a law degree, took up scuba diving, got my kids involved in snorkelling, scuba, horse riding and shooting.
Thanks guys, it means a lot to me as i've used the people on this forum as a tool to maintain sobriety.
Paul
just wanted to post here to say i am now 1 year sober.
funny thing is i don't miss drink at all, it took a 3 or 4 months of hard work about 18 months ago and have not looked back since.. this is my first thread about the aa, posted january 2008.. http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/150354/1/went-to-aa-meeting-last-night.
i would encourage anyone who thinks they may have a problem to get help, it is out there.. since i have become sober i am now doing a law degree, took up scuba diving, got my kids involved in snorkelling, scuba, horse riding and shooting.
Hi all
Just wanted to post here to say i am now 1 year sober. Funny thing is i don't miss drink at all, it took a 3 or 4 months of hard work about 18 months ago and have not looked back since.
This is my first thread about the AA, posted January 2008.
http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/150354/1/Went-to-AA-meeting-last-night
I would encourage anyone who thinks they may have a problem to get help, it is out there.
Since i have become sober i am now doing a law degree, took up scuba diving, got my kids involved in snorkelling, scuba, horse riding and shooting. I have a new social circle which takes time. I have debunked the JW myth and now feel free to explore my own spirituality and beliefs.
It can be done and it's not as daunting as it may look. 18 months ago if someone would have told i could go a month without a drink i wouldn't have believed them.
Anyway, thanks to all here who has given me support, especially in the early days when i really needed that help.
Paul
34 do not think i came to put peace upon the earth; i came to put, not peace, but a sword.
35 for i came to cause division, with a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a young wife against her mother-in-law.
36 indeed, a mans enemies will be persons of his own household.
It's quite simple really. Jesus was here talking about the unbelieving family members opposing the Christian in the household.
The ironic view of the WT society is that Jesus was talking about the Christian being the one who cuts himself off from the rest of the family, when he is clearly talking about the other way around. He is talking about a Christians enemy could be within his own house, it is therefore the unbeliever who may cause this division, whereas the WT says it should be the JW who cuts himself off from family.
If the unbeliever opposes the Christian in the household, v 37 then goes on to say that the Christian should not have greater affection for father or mother than for him, what he doesn't say is that they should be cut off and never spoken to, never invite to family gatherings, etc, etc.
34 Do not think I came to put peace upon the earth; I came to put, not peace, but a sword. 35 For I came to cause division, with a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a young wife against her mother-in-law. 36 Indeed, a man’s enemies will be persons of his own household. 37 He that has greater affection for father or mother than for me is not worthy of me; and he that has greater affection for son or daughter than for me is not worthy of me.
70 years of captivity?.
i myself have always believed that when archaeology disagreed with the bible the bible must be right.
that is how i dismissed the idea that jerusalem was destroyed in 586/587 bce.
leavingwt ... Let the games begin....lol
Hi allelsefails,
Interestingly you have already given two alternative interpretations for the 70 year period. This leads some to argue that there can be two 70 year periods refered to in the bible.
For me though the WT societies weakest link is 537BCE, if you notice any quotations in their literature it uses the word 'probable', hardly a word that should be used when they then go on to speak with great accuracy the autumn of 1914.
What i personally find interesting is how CT Russell's calculations began with a 606 date, but then he counted the year 0 between 1BC - 1 AD. Then by some miracle at the same time it was realised there was no year zero, it was decided Cyrus announced his degree in 537BC as opposed to 536BC. If this didn't change the only alternative upon a realisation of no year zero would be to move the date forward to 1915, but we all know that was never going to happen.
Scholar ... Further, what also proves the validity of WT Bible based chronology as developed by those 'celebrated WT scholars' is the simple fact that 607 BCE nicely and providentially begins the prophetic period of the Gentile Times ending in 1914 CE. Such a fact inspires faith and it is faith that forms the basis of prophecy.
Interesting point, to JW's it is faith that forms the basis of this prophecy.
Paul
i am looking for doctrines and teachings that cannot be probed by a jehovah witness using the bible alone.. .
tace care,.
ismael.
The 1914 doctrine needs secular sources.
Paul
