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does wt demand an act of wickedness to prove loyalty to the institution?.
is shunning a wicked act of revenge?.
Reniaa, if you're going to quote a scripture you really need to look at the whole passage to get it's meaning, rather than just picking out a sentence to misinterpret scripture.
2 Thessalonians 3:14 and 15
If anyone does not obey our instruction in this letter, take special note of him. Do not associate with him, in order that he may feel ashamed. 15 Yet do not regard him as an enemy, but warn him as a brother.
Paul
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just thought i'd share this pic lol.
paul.
Just thought i'd share this pic lol
Paul
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihydyxrjuju.
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Looking forward to seeing it.....Michael Moore telling it as it is
this was posted on facebook by a fellow exjw:.
http://www.facebook.com/ext/share.php?sid=115905575893&h=iugq7&u=dfsnw&ref=nf.
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vague memory from when i was studying up on male 'rape' many moons ago the term rape didnt apply to men as they didnt have a vagina, and rape was classed as per vagina so the term 'assault by penetration' was used instead...
so if they're using that term its quite possible the lady was subjected to sodomy instead of being raped in the usual sense of the word. either way its horrible that anyone should be subjected to any kind of assault.
The term does now apply to male rape, this is one of the things that was reformed in 2003 with the Sexual Offences Act, i have cut and pasted section 1 of the act, as you can see it covers penile penetration of the vagina, anus or mouth.
1 Rape
(1) A person (A) commits an offence if—
(a) he intentionally penetrates the vagina, anus or mouth of another person (B) with his penis,
(b) B does not consent to the penetration, and
(c) A does not reasonably believe that B consents.
(2) Whether a belief is reasonable is to be determined having regard to all the circumstances, including any steps A has taken to ascertain whether B consents.
(3) Sections 75 and 76 apply to an offence under this section.
(4) A person guilty of an offence under this section is liable, on conviction on indictment, to imprisonment for life.
The guy however admitted to assault by penetration which is covered by section 2 of the act and differentiated from rape,
2 Assault by penetration
(1) A person (A) commits an offence if—
(a) he intentionally penetrates the vagina or anus of another person (B) with a part of his body or anything else,
(b) the penetration is sexual,
(c) B does not consent to the penetration, and
(d) A does not reasonably believe that B consents.
(2) Whether a belief is reasonable is to be determined having regard to all the circumstances, including any steps A has taken to ascertain whether B consents.
(3) Sections 75 and 76 apply to an offence under this section.
(4) A person guilty of an offence under this section is liable, on conviction on indictment, to imprisonment for life.
As you can see this involves penetration by anything other than penile. It would cover a finger or other implement such as a stick, bottle, etc. penetrating the vagina or anus.
As you can see by subsection 4, that the maximum penalty is life imprisonment, so although the law recognises a difference, it doesn't make it any less serious than rape.
Paul
well i have been wanting to tell this story for some time now.
does anyone believe that a person is better becoming a jw?
i ask this question because i have carried this around with me for some years now.
Hindsight is a wonderful thing DJ_Q. Sorry to hear your story. Who knows whether she'd have been better off? I think we all have to get that partying phase out of us, for some of us the curiosity of it is strong, i know it was for me.
May be she would have been better off, maybe she'd have felt trapped in the constrains of a JW life.
Life is full of if's. If my uncle were born a female, you know what? ...he'd be my aunty. I know it's easy to say don't dwell on the if's, but the complexities of life and the questions we ask when someone dies is reality, if's are just our dreams and hopes.
Paul
this was posted on facebook by a fellow exjw:.
http://www.facebook.com/ext/share.php?sid=115905575893&h=iugq7&u=dfsnw&ref=nf.
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Assault by penetration IS rape! Forced Unlawful Carnal Knowledge. See why I hate the 'F' word so much?
English law only recognises penile penetration as rape, assault by penitration is a new offence since 2003. Assault by penetration still carries a maximum life sentence but when the sexual offences law was reformed recently it was decided to differentiate between penile penetration to any other penetration. Although by legal definition there is a difference, the seriousness of the offence is not diminished as shown through the maximum life sentence.
The sexual offence laws of this country had a major reform with the Sexual Offences Act 2003 as the old laws were seen as archaic. Reformation of the law has led to more convictions, where prior many got off on technicalities.
Back to the topic... Why on earth would a "warning" be given for assaulting a child?!
That's exactly whatI was wondering...possibly parent unwilling to alow the child to testify or the child was too traumatized to testify?
It wouldn't be the case that the parent wouldn't allow the child to testify. The guy was given a 'caution', not a warning. Personally i am disgusted that the police can give cautions for this, there has been media debate on this as it is not widely known that police are allowed to do this.
If police give a caution, one of the criteria has to be that the suspect admits to the offence. Therefore there would be no need for the child to testify anyway, the suspect has already admitted his guilt.
Paul
i had to pick my daughter up from my mothers yesterday after going to the district convention.
i hate having to listen to how my mother has bumped into so and so and they've been asking about me.. she bumped into some of my ex's family who stopped and chatted.
so two faced all of them.. it kind of gets my back up and i can feel anger coming up when i hear people who i used to respect asking after me, then if i were to walk past them in the street i know most of them would try to avoid me.. to top it all my mother has been dropping hints as to whether i will go with her.
Gayle - Did you daughter go with your mom to the DC?
Sorry gayle for not responding sooner, i have only just logged on here after a week or so. In answer to your question she just went on the Saturday.
Paul
i had to pick my daughter up from my mothers yesterday after going to the district convention.
i hate having to listen to how my mother has bumped into so and so and they've been asking about me.. she bumped into some of my ex's family who stopped and chatted.
so two faced all of them.. it kind of gets my back up and i can feel anger coming up when i hear people who i used to respect asking after me, then if i were to walk past them in the street i know most of them would try to avoid me.. to top it all my mother has been dropping hints as to whether i will go with her.
I had to pick my daughter up from my mothers yesterday after going to the District Convention. I hate having to listen to how my mother has bumped into so and so and they've been asking about me.
She bumped into some of my ex's family who stopped and chatted. So two faced all of them.
It kind of gets my back up and i can feel anger coming up when i hear people who i used to respect asking after me, then if i were to walk past them in the street i know most of them would try to avoid me.
To top it all my mother has been dropping hints as to whether i will go with her. I think it's because i went to one day last year for the first time in about 10 years. I have repeatedly told her i am not going, then as i walked out of the house she says i have got you a car park ticket just in case youn wanted to go on Sunday. What cheek, she has actually ordered me a car park ticket after all the times i have said that i am definately not going.
Sometimes i just wished i was df'ed or da'ed, but that would create more problems i guess.
Paul
did you ever had someone not speak to you for years because of a grudge against you?
as the years passed by, did you make up with that person and become friends again?
do you know someone that has that kind of experience?
My nan and my uncle haven't spoke since my Grandfather's death in 1975. It really began with my nan not liking his wife, she did used to treat him bad. He left her the once, she said to him if you going to go back to her then i want nothing to do with you. There was a few family arguments at the time involving my uncle, which added to this, and since then they haven't spoke.
It was my nan's 90th about 3 months ago and my uncle was thinking of attending. I think he wants to do something before it is too late. They are both stubborn, so neither will speak first. The longer it went on, the harder it got for both of them. They have acknowledged each other once in that time, at a family party, by saying hello, this was about 15 years ago.
They both attend family parties, we are a large family so they keep apart. My nan did come to our house once whilst my uncle was there about 15 years ago, around the same time that they acknowledged each other. They both sat in the same room and didn't speak, after a couple of minutes my uncle got up and left.
I remember my uncle inviting her to his silver wedding anniversary in 1990, she refused to attend.
It is a shame for them both, my nan is now 90 and my uncle around 68, they have missed so much not speaking for 34 years, but that's the way it is between them.
Paul
our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate.
our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure.
it is our light, not our darkness that most frightens us.
Love it, thanks CoCo.
Paul
