If this debate is coming down to science v religion i have one question to any christian.
If a child was ill would he be taken to a doctor or the church?
Just my two penneth. Paul
on what basis did god so love the world?.
the world of mankind had been condemned to death by god's curse in eden!.
god viewed mankind as "dust on the scales".
If this debate is coming down to science v religion i have one question to any christian.
If a child was ill would he be taken to a doctor or the church?
Just my two penneth. Paul
i've heard tony adams (ex footballer) is having a bible study.. can anyone confirm this?
has he been seen at meetings?.
paul.
How did you hear that, digderidoo? PM me if you want.
Mom mentioned it eyes open. Ive googled 'tony adams jehovahs witness', and have found a post on another forum about it. Wondered whether anyone can confirm it or is it just rumour.
Also found out Peter Andre was bought up a dub. Imagine if he and jordan went to a meeting!
i've heard tony adams (ex footballer) is having a bible study.. can anyone confirm this?
has he been seen at meetings?.
paul.
I've heard Tony Adams (ex footballer) is having a bible study.
Can anyone confirm this? Has he been seen at meetings?
Paul
i've always wanted to ask this question to those that have decided to leave the organization.. what will you do when the great tribulation begins?.
right now folks, a lot is happening in the political world.. gordon brown (prime miniter of england) last week gave a speech to the un stating that it is time for the un to step in and solve the world's problems, (specifically mentioning the economy and hunger crisis worldwide.).
barrack obama is shaping up to be the next president, a fellow who sure knows how to persuade and lead great crowds.
Malkiel, are you for real? I do not understand how an active JW who really does believe in the 'truth' can come on this board and argue with 'apostates'. What are you gonna do when the great tribulation begins? How are you going to explain your posting on here to your God?
as many of you are aware i started to attend aa meetings at the beginning of january, to finally confront my alcoholism.. since then i went the first 7 weeks without a drink, but then went away for a lads weekend and ended up getting drunk over a 3 day break.
i learnt from this that i could not control my drinking, so upon coming back i stopped drinking again.. this then led to another 7 weeks without a drink.
but last saturday was my birthday so i went out on the friday night and drank again, however this time i didn't get drunk, but controlled it, this also led to me having two glasses of wine on sunday, and i can honestly say that i didn't feel the crave for any more.. now as for attending aa meetings, they have really helped, i feel alot happier within myself since and have done many active things that i wouldn't have dreamt of doing this time last year.
Thanks for your comments.
I wouldn't just give up on the AA without replacing it with another program. My recovery has not been just over the last three months, but more over 3 years. Back then i gave up my drug taking and tried controlling my drinking on my own, without a program. I have found the AA to be a wonderful tool in helping me with my recovery, but i do have certain issues with it.
I do not want to go 1, 2, 3 or even 10 years sober without at least trying controlled drinking within the confines of a program. The problem i have, i think in particular within the uk social scene, is that when i go out with friends i cannot drink. I am going out tonight for instance to a comedy night, others will be drinking, its a Friday night, so i know that i will drink, but i am determined not to get drunk.
However, even though saying i want to drink in a controlled way, i am determined never to visit again the years of drink and drugs that i have experienced.
My issue with the AA is that it is black and white. Abstinence or nothing, so in the long term i do not see how this will work for me. The qualification for joining the AA is 'a desire to stop drinking'. For me i do not desire this, i desire not to be a drunk. Many who i have met in the AA seem to have gone because they have tried other avenues and they have failed, so there seems to be a negative attitude against other outside programs.
That said i know the AA is there at any time should any other program fail for me.
I also have issues with the spiritual element to it, but i have mentioned that here before. Comments are made at meetings which do remind me of the KH.
The AA for me has helped me alot in these few short weeks, so i dont want to sound as though i am ungrateful for it, but i do find it to be black and white when it comes to being abstinent.
Paul
as many of you are aware i started to attend aa meetings at the beginning of january, to finally confront my alcoholism.. since then i went the first 7 weeks without a drink, but then went away for a lads weekend and ended up getting drunk over a 3 day break.
i learnt from this that i could not control my drinking, so upon coming back i stopped drinking again.. this then led to another 7 weeks without a drink.
but last saturday was my birthday so i went out on the friday night and drank again, however this time i didn't get drunk, but controlled it, this also led to me having two glasses of wine on sunday, and i can honestly say that i didn't feel the crave for any more.. now as for attending aa meetings, they have really helped, i feel alot happier within myself since and have done many active things that i wouldn't have dreamt of doing this time last year.
Thanks sirona, you've made some good points. Sorry i haven't got time at present to give a full response, but will have a good read later today.
Paul
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/topstories/2008/04/25/call-this-justice-89520-20393945/ .
this little bastard destroyed her life.
he stands to inherit 130 million.
I have for a while been leaning towards agreeing with the death penalty for child murderers or sex crimes. It will never happen it this country though.
My main issue with it, is that it lowers us a society and brings us down to their level.
Paul
as many of you are aware i started to attend aa meetings at the beginning of january, to finally confront my alcoholism.. since then i went the first 7 weeks without a drink, but then went away for a lads weekend and ended up getting drunk over a 3 day break.
i learnt from this that i could not control my drinking, so upon coming back i stopped drinking again.. this then led to another 7 weeks without a drink.
but last saturday was my birthday so i went out on the friday night and drank again, however this time i didn't get drunk, but controlled it, this also led to me having two glasses of wine on sunday, and i can honestly say that i didn't feel the crave for any more.. now as for attending aa meetings, they have really helped, i feel alot happier within myself since and have done many active things that i wouldn't have dreamt of doing this time last year.
As many of you are aware i started to attend AA meetings at the beginning of January, to finally confront my alcoholism.
Since then i went the first 7 weeks without a drink, but then went away for a lads weekend and ended up getting drunk over a 3 day break. I learnt from this that i could not control my drinking, so upon coming back i stopped drinking again.
This then led to another 7 weeks without a drink. But last Saturday was my birthday so i went out on the Friday night and drank again, however this time i didn't get drunk, but controlled it, this also led to me having two glasses of wine on Sunday, and i can honestly say that i didn't feel the crave for any more.
Now as for attending AA meetings, they have really helped, i feel alot happier within myself since and have done many active things that i wouldn't have dreamt of doing this time last year. But what i really want to do is to control my drinking like any 'normal' person, rather than abstain from it, the AA advocates the latter. I don't know whether i agree that its a disease, that the first drink will lead to me getting drunk. I also dont agree with the religious element within the AA.
I am seriously thinking of replacing the AA meetings with getting myself on a local programme, which can go along the line of controlled social drinking. I hate the idea of never being able to drink again, so really feel as though i have to at least attempt this route, before i choose to abstain totally.
I would be very interested to hear peoples opinions, particularly those who attend AA themselves. Feel free to PM if you'd rather not post. I cannot log back on till later today, so i may be able to respond till later.
Paul
i posted this in my profile but since i've never formally introduced myself, i thought i would print it here as well as my official "hello" message.
i am currently an active jw.
i don't want to be but the situation i am in doesn't allow me to do anything differently.
Hi and welcome to the board.
Your story is very similar to mine, so i can identify to alot of what you have said.
I also was born in 1970 (right side of 40 ). My parents began studying in the early 80's and i was baptised in 1985. I started to fade away though in my mid twenties, so have a few years outside of the organisation. It was particularly difficult with my wife at the time (now ex wife), she could never understand why i wanted to leave, this in turn confused the kids.
All i can say to you is that from my point of view it took many years to learn new things and in particular to stand on my own two feet so to speak. But it was worth it, this board helps, I have spoken to many people who have similar issues and feelings to myself.
Hopefully this board will work for you, but welcome and feel free to PM any time.
Paul
im just wondering because it seems like you have no hope.
please set me straight.
' Where did the rock come from? '......Where did God come from?