Posts by cjones

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So confused

by greenie in

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so i've been reading this board for a while but never posted.

so, go easy on me!

i have a lot of thoughts, but they're not going to be totally clear.. my story: i was dating a guy, not long, but totally fell in love with him.

Greenie, Welcome to the board and congratulations on the birth of your baby. 25 years ago I was in a very similar situation. I met a man who possessed the core values & qualities that I was searching for in a spouse. As we learned more about one another, he confessed that he was a disfellowshipped JW (no longer practicing) and that only his parents, ex-wife & children were JW's. As a christian I knew little about the JW cult but knew that it was a farce. To make a very long story short, we married, had children & apprx.3 1/2 yrs ago he returned to the JW's & our family has been in turmoil ever since. the kids are emotionally and spiritually damage, our life is horrible, it's frustrating, I am always angry, I feel betrayed, lied to & deceived. There is so much that I can share with you but I do not have the time right now. I even met some of his "friends" & have been to B'klyn Bethel & Stanley Theater ( I live in NY) let me tell you they are not a nice bunch, I find them despicable!!!

Greenie, You have no idea how fortunate you are that you have the internet & so many resources available to you I did not have that luxury. Bottom line, my advice to you is if you want to l ive a happy & normal life w/your child then LEAVE HIM ASAP and do NOT LOOK BACK. this may seem harsh but I know what I am talking about, they are so deceitful and you do not deserves that. Continue researching but bottom line the best thing to do is raise you child on your own. It is better to be by yourself than to live a life of misery.

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Disfellowshiped Last Night - Elder Question

by johnnyc in

i know some of you know me by my posts...as someone very much on the "fence".

recently, i had made an effort to start coming back to meetings after being inactive for 2+ years.

during that time, i did have a prescription drug problem following an injury.

cjones

The WTBTS says "only willful, unrepentant sinners are DF'd". If you have to be DF'd to show your repentance, than that statement is not true. Any other thoughts? Johhny

Johnny, I do not understand!?! why don't you simply pray to God and tell Him that you are repentant of your sins and ask HIM for forgiveness????? for HE is the ONLY one that knows what is in your heart. The elders are not the mediators for God. I am not a JW, however my husband is (for the past 2 1/2 years and prior to my meeting him) so I am familiar with their rules and reg's, however I am a christian and I know that we are all sinners, whether in thought or by actions, and that is why everyday when I pray I thank HIM for the forgiveness of my many sins and the salvation of my soul, amen. I do not have to confess and be punished by my pastor. I deal directly with HIM, and that my friend is how it should be, IMHO.

Pls think carefully about going back, I recommend that you read Crisis of Conscience by Raymond Franz, it is very revealing.

God bless,

cjones

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Does anyone have a trusted recipe for Sofrito?

by restrangled in

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there are hundreds on the internet, each one seems to be different.

i am going to make ropa vieja with it so if you have a recipe for that too it would be much appreciated!

.

cjones

I love this website it is comprehensive and the recipes are easy to follow:

http://www.elboricua.com/sofrito.html / http://www.elboricua.com/recipes.html / Here is a another website http://allrecipes.com/Recipe/Cuban-Ropa-Vieja/Detail.aspx

Good luck. Let us know how it came out!!

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jesus denies being God! scriptural discussion.

by reniaa in

i thought after recently reading the bible i would put up for disussion some recent scriptures up which for me show that jesus never viewed himself as god and anyone listening would also see it this way too.. first mark 10 :17-20.

17as jesus started on his way, a man ran up to him and fell on his knees before him.

"good teacher," he asked, "what must i do to inherit eternal life?

cjones

KWR I'm not a JW, but I don't believe that Jesus was/is God. As the scripture show Jesus did not say he was God in the flesh. Hi KWR, In response to your comment (shown above) please read the following verse: John 1:14 14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. God bless, cjones

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jesus denies being God! scriptural discussion.

by reniaa in

i thought after recently reading the bible i would put up for disussion some recent scriptures up which for me show that jesus never viewed himself as god and anyone listening would also see it this way too.. first mark 10 :17-20.

17as jesus started on his way, a man ran up to him and fell on his knees before him.

"good teacher," he asked, "what must i do to inherit eternal life?

cjones

John 10:30 I and my Father are one.

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jesus denies being God! scriptural discussion.

by reniaa in

i thought after recently reading the bible i would put up for disussion some recent scriptures up which for me show that jesus never viewed himself as god and anyone listening would also see it this way too.. first mark 10 :17-20.

17as jesus started on his way, a man ran up to him and fell on his knees before him.

"good teacher," he asked, "what must i do to inherit eternal life?

cjones

Mark 2: 5-12

5 When Jesus saw their faith, he said unto the sick of the palsy, Son, thy sins be forgiven thee.

6 But there was certain of the scribes sitting there, and reasoning in their hearts,

7 Why doth this man thus speak blasphemies? who can forgive sins but God only?

8 And immediately when Jesus perceived in his spirit that they so reasoned within themselves, he said unto them, Why reason ye these things in your hearts?

9 Whether is it easier to say to the sick of the palsy, Thy sins be forgiven thee; or to say, Arise, and take up thy bed, and walk?

10 But that ye may know that the Son of man hath power on earth to forgive sins, (he saith to the sick of the palsy,)

11 I say unto thee, Arise, and take up thy bed, and go thy way into thine house.

12 And immediately he arose, took up the bed, and went forth before them all; insomuch that they were all amazed, and glorified God, saying, We never saw it on this fashion.

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jesus denies being God! scriptural discussion.

by reniaa in

i thought after recently reading the bible i would put up for disussion some recent scriptures up which for me show that jesus never viewed himself as god and anyone listening would also see it this way too.. first mark 10 :17-20.

17as jesus started on his way, a man ran up to him and fell on his knees before him.

"good teacher," he asked, "what must i do to inherit eternal life?

cjones

Reniaa, The bible teaches that the Father is God, that Jesus is God and the Holy Spirit is God and that there is only one God. I have not read all of the responses, just a couple of them, however I wanted to share this verse with you.

1 John 5:7 (KJV) For there are three that bear witness in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

God bless,

cjones

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Just want to introduce myself

by cjones in

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hi everyone, i have been lurking for a very long time and have been pretty much blown away and sickened by what i have learned on this discussion forum (this is actually the first forum i had ever visted).

i am married to man who was not a jw when i met him (although he was raised as one from his early teens but left when he was in his 20's, oh and that was when he started attending college), to make a long story short we met, fell in love, got married, had a few children and then 20 yrs later he started attending the "meetings" or better yet "the indoctrination sessions" again, which btw he did not tell me that that was what he was doing!!

shortly thereafter i began noticing changes in his personality, and it wasn't for the better.

cjones

Thanks again for all of your responses and sharing your heartfelt stories with me, there is comforting in knowing that I am not the only one experiencing the effects a cult has on its members. I believe in knowledge is power and attitude is everything. I am working on both.

Evidently, it is not necessary to apologize, thank you for another example of just how warped and twisted the Borg is.

No More Kool Aid, yes I did inform my husband of the child/sexual abuse cases, their outcome, the settlement amounts, and he refuses to acknowledge that there is a serious problem in the way the organization handles those situations. He did take our son to the meetings a while back w/o my knowledge (sneaky, right??) and when my son refused to listen to me when I attempted to show him a verse in the Bible/KJV re: false prophets I knew then that I was in for a long and tough battle, however I took a very strong stand and prevented my son from attending. Shortly afterwards we were invited to attend a local church which takes the word of God very seriously,and we have been going ever since. We love our bible class, the sermons and all of the other activities that they have for the youth and adults plus he has made many new friends.

Lavender, I remember when you first posted on jwd and my heart went out to you. I will order Rev. Wilbur Lingle's book: Approaching Jehovah's Witnesses In Love: How To Witness Effectively Without Arguing. I wish you much strength in your struggle with your son.

Jgnat, you are so right about the two personalities, one is the man I fell in love with and the other is the JW persona aka head of the household aka the ogre aka Mr Everything is black or white, ughhh : ( It drives me nuts. Unfortunately, I am seeing less and less of the original hubby. Btw, I have one of Steve Hassan's book on reserve at the library, I forgot which one but I should be hearing from them soon, its been a while.

bye for now.

cjones / a mom

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Just want to introduce myself

by cjones in

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hi everyone, i have been lurking for a very long time and have been pretty much blown away and sickened by what i have learned on this discussion forum (this is actually the first forum i had ever visted).

i am married to man who was not a jw when i met him (although he was raised as one from his early teens but left when he was in his 20's, oh and that was when he started attending college), to make a long story short we met, fell in love, got married, had a few children and then 20 yrs later he started attending the "meetings" or better yet "the indoctrination sessions" again, which btw he did not tell me that that was what he was doing!!

shortly thereafter i began noticing changes in his personality, and it wasn't for the better.

cjones

Hortensia, Gregor, Choosing Life,

Thank you for your kind words. I will not under any circumstances give up on our relationship. He is a very smart man and I have faith that someday something will "click" and the scales will fall from his eyes.

I have to get off the computer now, (it's in my childs room and he's going to sleep) I will be back tomorrow. Bye for now.

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Just want to introduce myself

by cjones in

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friends

hi everyone, i have been lurking for a very long time and have been pretty much blown away and sickened by what i have learned on this discussion forum (this is actually the first forum i had ever visted).

i am married to man who was not a jw when i met him (although he was raised as one from his early teens but left when he was in his 20's, oh and that was when he started attending college), to make a long story short we met, fell in love, got married, had a few children and then 20 yrs later he started attending the "meetings" or better yet "the indoctrination sessions" again, which btw he did not tell me that that was what he was doing!!

shortly thereafter i began noticing changes in his personality, and it wasn't for the better.

cjones

Hi everyone, I have been lurking for a very long time and have been pretty much blown away and sickened by what I have learned on this discussion forum (this is actually the first forum I had ever visted). I am married to man who was not a JW when I met him (although he was raised as one from his early teens but left when he was in his 20's, oh and that was when he started attending college), to make a long story short we met, fell in love, got married, had a few children and then 20 yrs later he started attending the "meetings" or better yet "the indoctrination sessions" again, which btw he did not tell me that that was what he was doing!! Shortly thereafter I began noticing changes in his personality, and it wasn't for the better. He called me "evil" on several occasions because I did not agree with his "beliefs" (I am a christian) and as a result there was alot of conflict and tension in our home, but worse of all the children were caught in the middle of a tomultuous situation. I am completely frustrated and overwhelmed, and feel ill equiped to deal with this situation. When I decided to research the JW on the internet and discovered this forum I was totally unprepared for the things that I have learned on this website, I have silently cried by some of the stories of many here. I have lost sleep, gotten physically ill, and have had to stop reading for a few days because I did not know how to digest all of this information.

Now after 2 1/2 yrs. things are still the same with hi's and low's, sometimes I feel as if I am going to lose it. but I continue struggling. I read everything I can get my hands on. COC is my favorite - that is a definite must-have book - but of course my hubby will not read it, I keep it on my nightstand in plain view!!!! plus I have boxes filled with printouts of this forum and others so that if he is ever inclined to read them, it is easily ascessible. I read Barbara Anderson's story - WOW!! what a tesitmony. I had no idea that the Society was such a wicked organization. Now every chance I get I try to inform others about the truth regarding the WT. They are horrible. My family used to be normal. I have been deceived, I do not believe anything my hubby says, it has ruined our relationship I do not trust him anymore. it's so sad. 2 yrs ago I pm'd someone from this forum and everything she wrote was 100% true. how sad it is, for me and others. God Bless and thank you. cjones/ a mom