daniel-p, if he thought the sun went around the earth you may see it differently.
Saying something like that should get people questioning his IQ and ability to look at evidence- good qualities to have in a president, surely?
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Mike Huckabee now admits evolution theory has validity
by worldtraveller inhttp://www.canada.com/victoriatimescolonist/news/story.html?id=562cfb53-69a7-4fcb-9e41-6db4f4e4381a&k=51066.
interesting story from the godless north aka canada.
make sure you read the bottom part where the equator used to be in northern canada..
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I don't want to worship a God that.............
by oompa inwould kill billions of people for any reason.. would require family members to not speak to a member of their own family.. would require a parent to stone a child for being a bad boy.. would require probably millions of animals to be slaughtered and make smoke for him.. would let a rapist of a young girl have the privilege of marrying her.. would let mankind suffer for thousands of years to prove something to his heavenly creatures.. would let horrible "natural" tragedies occur, killing millions of people, when they don't have to happen.. would communicate to mankind by writing to them.....but not keep any originals around....like pyramids.. would want to be worshiped in the first place.....i just don't get it........................you can add your own if you want..........oompa.
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serotonin_wraith
...doesn't exist.
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serotonin_wraith
Now they need to do the same with 'intelligent design', creationism in disguise.
They also need to sort out a better way of making sure parents don't teach these lies to their children via homeschooling.
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Sam Harris debates Rabbi David Wolpe
by serotonin_wraith inwhile i don't usually link to these debates, this is one of the better ones i've heard.
there's a video around somewhere too (only streaming, unfortunately).. audio version:.
http://rs276.rapidshare.com/files/81509657/samharrisdebatesrabbidavidwolpe.mp3.
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serotonin_wraith
While I don't usually link to these debates, this is one of the better ones I've heard. There's a video around somewhere too (only streaming, unfortunately).
Audio version:
http://rs276.rapidshare.com/files/81509657/SamHarrisDebatesRabbiDavidWolpe.mp3
Some themes will be familiar. Some of us here have gone over these arguments again and again in this forum. I think until people see they are using bad arguments, these same topics will be brought up.
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The Problem with Atheism by Sam Harris
by nvrgnbk inthe problem with atheism(this is an edited transcript of a talk given at the atheist alliance conference in washington d.c. on september 28th, 2007).
to begin, id like to take a moment to acknowledge just how strange it is that a meeting like this is even necessary.
the year is 2007, and we have all taken time out of our busy lives, and many of us have traveled considerable distance, so that we can strategize about how best to live in a world in which most people believe in an imaginary god.
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I'm unaware of anything else I was made to believe without good evidence or reasons, or other children are made to believe without good evidence or reasons. Mental abuse doesn't just cover what frightens children, teaching a child the earth is flat is mental abuse. Being taught a completely wrong view of the world is mental abuse. No adult would believe that rubbish if they were sane and could think for themselves. Children need time to develop those skills.
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Quite vague.
How has it been updated, etc?
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The Problem with Atheism by Sam Harris
by nvrgnbk inthe problem with atheism(this is an edited transcript of a talk given at the atheist alliance conference in washington d.c. on september 28th, 2007).
to begin, id like to take a moment to acknowledge just how strange it is that a meeting like this is even necessary.
the year is 2007, and we have all taken time out of our busy lives, and many of us have traveled considerable distance, so that we can strategize about how best to live in a world in which most people believe in an imaginary god.
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I was raised JW. My parents were wrong. I was not abused in any way. They did their best with what they believed was right and best. With the bad of the JW education, there was also some good. JWs have the right to raise their children JW, just as I have the right not to.
How can you think it's okay to raise a kid to believe in your religion if you've been raised a JW? We of all people know what it's like to be made to believe something that was forced on us. You were mentally abused. You were made to believe that evolution was false, that there was an evil invisible being roaming the Earth with his minions, that God was going to wipe out all your school friends plus almost everyone else on Earth; you were made to believe in all sorts of crazy shit.
They did their best, but it didn't make it right. I'm sure you'll be doing your best with your kids too, you think you have it right now when it comes to God. The thing is, nobody knows for a fact which religion, if any, is the right one. So you're going to be just as closed minded and sure of your beliefs as your parents were about theirs.
Before you ask, although I've told you already I'll repeat it: No, I will not make my child 'believe in no god'. That's my own opinion, and my children can come to their own conclusions. I'm not them, and neither are you your own children. They are individuals, and they do have the right to form their own opinions about the cosmos and the meaning of life. Being young doesn't matter. It's at that young age that minds can be influenced, and it's at this time we have to be careful about what we teach them about what is true or not.
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The Problem with Atheism by Sam Harris
by nvrgnbk inthe problem with atheism(this is an edited transcript of a talk given at the atheist alliance conference in washington d.c. on september 28th, 2007).
to begin, id like to take a moment to acknowledge just how strange it is that a meeting like this is even necessary.
the year is 2007, and we have all taken time out of our busy lives, and many of us have traveled considerable distance, so that we can strategize about how best to live in a world in which most people believe in an imaginary god.
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BTS,
I thought you'd come quite far too - are you having a bad day?
If I'm shown to be wrong, I will eat my humble pie. I'm very capable of doing so. If I feel my position is wrong, I cannot be dishonest with myself.
I just have the bother now of searching back over past posts to see what I put.
Childhood indoctrination too: who decides what's right? JWs teaching their kids all about their beliefs looks bad to me, but it's 'their right' to mentally abuse their children? Of course not.
With 'faith' you can't decide which religion is okay to teach and which isn't. They all require 'faith' (or in layman's terms- you don't need any reason to know it's true, so shut up?)
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The Problem with Atheism by Sam Harris
by nvrgnbk inthe problem with atheism(this is an edited transcript of a talk given at the atheist alliance conference in washington d.c. on september 28th, 2007).
to begin, id like to take a moment to acknowledge just how strange it is that a meeting like this is even necessary.
the year is 2007, and we have all taken time out of our busy lives, and many of us have traveled considerable distance, so that we can strategize about how best to live in a world in which most people believe in an imaginary god.
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Not unless your picture of waffles was the knock down response.
Or a metaphor of the real response, as you're so fond of them.
I think I'll start a thread on it tomorrow with all the points laid out for you and anyone else. I'm fed up of people repeating mistakes.