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Christians: Do You Uphold the Sabbath Law?

by serotonin_wraith in

if the biblical commands are to be followed, and god's morality outweighs or controls our own, i must say i feel the law about not working on the sabbath seems to be ignored for the most part.. some of the laws found in the ot have now been set aside by many christians - not stoning disobedient children, for example.

believers may show how jesus' arrival on earth fulfilled certain rules which only applied to the jews of the time.. can the same be said for the sabbath law?

it still appears in the ten commandments, and i was under the impression those rules had to be followed today.. if all sins are equal, it's a little odd how we don't hear of any groups picketing at supermarkets every week with signs saying 'god hates sabbath workers'.

serotonin_wraith

DD,

I think it can be interpreted both ways. There remains a Sabbath-rest for the people of God - straight forward. Anyone who enters God's rest also rests from his own work - is this saying you automatically rest from your own work when you enter His rest (whatever that means)? If you enter God's rest, are you automatically resting from your work, or do you continue to work? You continue to work. Are you saying "Well I may work physically, but my spirit or my mind or my heart doesn't work"?

Apply it to telling the truth. Anyone who enters God's truth also tells the truth. Does this mean we automatically cannot tell another lie? No. Can it mean we may physically tell lies, but inside we only tell the truth, when we talk to ourselves? Strange.

That's why it looks to be saying anyone who enters God's rest will make sure they rest too, just as God is doing. Anyone who enters God's truth will also make sure they tell the truth themselves. That makes much more sense.

Are you down to fllowing nine commandments too?

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Christians: Do You Uphold the Sabbath Law?

by serotonin_wraith in

if the biblical commands are to be followed, and god's morality outweighs or controls our own, i must say i feel the law about not working on the sabbath seems to be ignored for the most part.. some of the laws found in the ot have now been set aside by many christians - not stoning disobedient children, for example.

believers may show how jesus' arrival on earth fulfilled certain rules which only applied to the jews of the time.. can the same be said for the sabbath law?

it still appears in the ten commandments, and i was under the impression those rules had to be followed today.. if all sins are equal, it's a little odd how we don't hear of any groups picketing at supermarkets every week with signs saying 'god hates sabbath workers'.

serotonin_wraith

wizardca,

Are you saying that you don't follow the ten commandments then? I'm not sure how someone could not obey the law, yet 'keep the law faithfully'. It's one or the other. You either obey it or you don't. Can you also get away with stealing and then say you're actually keeping that law faithfully?

BTS,

I agree there was a 'moral code' before the Bible was written. You may say that's our God-given conscience. How would you solve this dilemma...? I don't agree with all the rules in the Bible. E.g. Homosexuality being wrong. Which morality is right? That written in the Bible, or the morality in my head? If both are from God, why the contradiction?

Obves,

Where in the Bible does it say it's now a 'spiritual Sabbath'? How about spiritually not stealing, or spiritually not lying? Either a person steals and lies, or they do not. You either work on the Sabbath, or you do not. I can't see how it can be a metaphor.

Zico,

In context, isn't the scripture talking about those whose faith is weak not obeying all the laws? See also Romans 14:1-4. If you're right, and that rule can be ignored now, would you say you follow the nine commandments, or are there others you don't have to follow too?

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No desire to be religious

by TR in

when people hand out religious flyers, which a young man did today, i feel annoyed, like a salesman trying to hock his wares when i don't need what he's selling.. the young man and the church he represented were a lot less intrusive with their ministry than jw's, though.

that's why it angers me to know that jw's go out of their way to disrupt peoples lives with a bogus religion at the prodding of the likes of the wts.

it's like a yugo car salesman knocking on doors telling people how good the company is.

serotonin_wraith

I don't mind people in the street trying to sell me their religion as it gives me the chance to have real life debates. One with a Mormon last year went pretty much like this:

Me: "Can I ask, were you raised in the Mormon religion?"

Him: "I was."

Me: "Don't you think that could be the reason you believe the Mormons are the true religion?"

Him: "I asked myself the same thing when I was 14. I had to look around at other religions. I tried some other churches."

Me: "How many did you try?"

Him: "Two or three."

Me: "How many times did you go to them?"

Him: "A few times."

Me: "Just Christian churches?"

Him: "Yes."

Me: "And what made you decide they were wrong and the Mormons were right? Is there proof the Mormons are right?"

Him: "Well no, it's not about proof..."

Me: "No... So how did you know?"

Him: "When I was at the other churches, it just didn't feel right. I felt out of place, like God's spirit wasn't there."

Me: "Don't you think it's possible you felt more at home with the Mormons because your friends and family were there and you were used to that way of worship?"

Him: "That's possible, but I don't think it was that. I put my faith in god."

I took his leaflet, but needless to say I wasn't convinced to join up.

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Christians: Do You Uphold the Sabbath Law?

by serotonin_wraith in

if the biblical commands are to be followed, and god's morality outweighs or controls our own, i must say i feel the law about not working on the sabbath seems to be ignored for the most part.. some of the laws found in the ot have now been set aside by many christians - not stoning disobedient children, for example.

believers may show how jesus' arrival on earth fulfilled certain rules which only applied to the jews of the time.. can the same be said for the sabbath law?

it still appears in the ten commandments, and i was under the impression those rules had to be followed today.. if all sins are equal, it's a little odd how we don't hear of any groups picketing at supermarkets every week with signs saying 'god hates sabbath workers'.

serotonin_wraith

If the Biblical commands are to be followed, and God's morality outweighs or controls our own, I must say I feel the law about not working on the Sabbath seems to be ignored for the most part.

Some of the laws found in the OT have now been set aside by many Christians - not stoning disobedient children, for example. Believers may show how Jesus' arrival on Earth fulfilled certain rules which only applied to the Jews of the time.

Can the same be said for the Sabbath law? I don't believe so. It still appears in the ten commandments, and I was under the impression those rules had to be followed today.

If all sins are equal, it's a little odd how we don't hear of any groups picketing at supermarkets every week with signs saying 'God Hates Sabbath Workers'. It's even odder how many Christians don't even follow the rule themselves.

What constitutes working on the Sabbath? Picking up sticks was enough to kill one man in the Bible. Shopping and gardening could be rather obvious examples. How about cooking, taking the dog for a walk, driving?

Can there be exceptions? Ambulance drivers, hospital staff, authors, pastors, sea rescue personel, firefighters? Which are allowed and which are not? If a job is allowed because it's a matter of life and death, couldn't shops be open too, for if someone has no food in and it's the Sabbath, the need to eat becomes a matter of life and death. If something goes wrong with a person's plumbing so that they cannot get drinking water, does this mean plumbers are allowed to continue working on the Sabbath?

I don't see the rule functioning in the real world. It's too difficult. It's completely impractical. Yet, if this is the law of the Almighty, why don't more people follow it, instead of conveniently ignoring it and focusing on the more easy to follow ones such as no stealing and no lying? I'm not saying there's anything wrong with working on the Sabbath, but then I'm not the one supposedly basing my life around the Bible.

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Church Wants Couples to do "it" Every Night!!!

by momzcrazy in

now this is my kinda church!.

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serotonin_wraith

Zico,

You don't think an increase in sex between couples would increase the likelihood of pregnancy? Umm, ok. It's an agree to disagree situation then.

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Baby Bible Bashers

by fifi40 in

watched this rather disturbing documentary last night about young children involved in preaching some form of religious faith.......its is probably worth clicking on the video clips to get a feel of this programme.. http://www.channel4.com/culture/microsites/c/cutting_edge/baby_bible_bashers/.

one of the most alarming things for me is the story of ana dias who started preaching age 3, and now as a teenager admits to sharing her father's bed.. but in general the way these kids preach is quite scary in terms of the brainwashing and manipulation that these small children are exposed to...........reminds me of another religion i know.. fi.

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serotonin_wraith

Here it is:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DP-s3AV9Kzs

The other parts are under related videos.

People get away with all kinds of sick things when they're allowed to hide behind their faith.

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Church Wants Couples to do "it" Every Night!!!

by momzcrazy in

now this is my kinda church!.

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serotonin_wraith

Zico,

Some religious people in some religions are more upfront about it.

In 1974 Boumedienne, the man who ousted Ben Bella three years after Algerian Independence, spoke before the General Assembly of the United Nations. And without circumlocutions he said: "One day millions of men will leave the southern hemisphere of this planet to burst into the northern one. But not as friends. Because they will burst in to conquer, and they will conquer by populating it with their children. Victory will come to us from the wombs of our women."
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In every mosque of Europe the Friday prayer is accompanied by the exhotration with which the iman addresses the Muslim women: "Bear at least five children each couple."

-The Force of Reason, Oriana Fallaci.

Whether the pastor was thinking about the numbers in his congregation is unknown. Nobody's a mindreader. But would you deny it would be, at the very least, a natural side effect of his suggestion?

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Church Wants Couples to do "it" Every Night!!!

by momzcrazy in

now this is my kinda church!.

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serotonin_wraith

Not every religion Burn, you're right.

Many people are fine with their mortal lives. I am. I know the species will continue if I personally don't have children either.

Speaking as a non believer in an eternal afterlife, this life is hardly just a shopping basket of amusements. I can't see why I'd have to believe I can live forever before I want our species to carry on, through me or others.

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Church Wants Couples to do "it" Every Night!!!

by momzcrazy in

now this is my kinda church!.

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serotonin_wraith

More sex = more chance of having babies = more young minds to indoctrinate = more members in the congregation.

Simple, really.

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real one --- please provide proof here

by kwintestal in

sorry to saratonin wrath for his thread being hijacked.

real one ... please provide the evidence that you said was out there on this thread here to avoid further hijacking of the other thread.. insults towards non-believers are also better suited to this thread then the other one as well.. kwin.

serotonin_wraith

I'm not a Muslim. I'm not taken in by any religion.

Best seller does not equal true.

You can say it's true. A Muslim can say the Koran is true. Saying something doesn't make it true.

Violence in the book. Too much doesn't mean it's fiction. It is fiction for the most part, yes, but that's not a good reason to think it is. Now where was I reading that God wiped out millions of humans 4000 years ago in a flood, that we have to kill witches, kill people who try to turn you away from your religion and stone disobedient children...? Oh yes, the Bible!

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