When they told me to just meet men, they kept telling me that it was not necessarily permanent. I know, however, that it was necessarily permanent because they wanted every bit of sexual energy I had to be rechanneled into the Value Destroyer Training School and into rebuilding the whole organization so they would be able to start the Second Dark Ages. I would say they were caught in a blatant lie.
Wha?
Aww...Leave WTW alone. We all know this guy needs his meds...
i left a comment on this video three weeks ago, a very good video titled jws, ex-jw "apostates," and faith!
by a youtuber called shazoolo.... http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=btvajrqc2oa#anqrgt3pxpc.
i asked if anyone could explain the 607 b.c.e.
Prefering secular calculations to Biblical is a grave error
A typical jw ad hominem. Why is it a "grave error" to prefer secular calculations, to unproven biblical events? Is 539 somehow a better attested to date than 587? If 587 is wrong, how do you know the secular calculations used to end at 539 are not also wrong?
Very weak reasoning here.
j
(i don't know if i posted this already, since i got errors every time i tried) .
do you think that a lot of engaged jws have sex before getting married?
i think so, only a few fall into the guilt trip after they're married, and ultimately confess.
I remember thinking that since all the other girls I went out with would do it then my wife who would not must be a real spiritual person and therefore a the right mate for me. It never occured to me that a person could not be interested in sex at all. No matter how it is introduced. It is really tough especially for those of us who held out until we are married to have sex and basiclly we have as much as we did before we were married with ourselves.
My ex to a "T". Now a proud member of the "hump before I jump" class...
j
so, i'm embarking on slow fade and i think it's time for me to start making friends w/ some non-jdubs so that i'll have a support network once i decide to be completely out and everyone ive ever known abandons me.
ive always gotten along much better w/ wordly people than jdubs so i'll haveno problem securing friends but im concerned about being to keep them.. i want out of the org for various reasons but i must admit i still believe many of the teachings.
i just think the leadership and organization itself is corrupt.
You need to really, (and I mean really), teach yourself the truth about "da troof". Once you do that, you will begin to see things such as holidays, and about a billion other things more clearly. Some important questions to ask yourself:
1. Why do I still believe the "basic" jw teachings? If I do, then do I believe they were ever the truth? If the answer to the second part happens to be no, then what is the significance of their belief system anyway? If yes, then what caused them to "loose" their standing?
2. Do you really believe that billions of people will be destroyed for not thinking like the jw? Especially if you believe the org is somehow flawed?
3. If the "world" is wrong, and jws are wrong, then do you believe that only the few thousand people that think as you do are right?
The obvious conclusion to these questions should be that if the jws have it wrong, then they really don't have it right. That would leave most, if not all of their teachings, (at least as it relates to the esoteric stuff like holidays), probably wrong. For your own good, spend some time educating yourself about the story behind these things. It won't take merely a day or two. Plan to spend some time on this. If your mind is open, you will see the jws don't have it right.
j
ok. i lied.
dubs have nothing to do with this thread!.
in order to have a rational discussion about global warming and the so-called greenhouse effect, we need a rational starting point and need to ask rational questions.
Unless say, global warming is happening but is caused by cycles in the sun or something else we can't control. If we can't solve it, then so be it. But then at least we'll have solved the pollution problem. One out of two ain't bad.
Maybe. But some would argue that carbon dioxide does not constitute pollution at all, and specifically, that is what were talking about here. CO2 is simply plant food in of itself. The argument for climate change has nothing to do with CO2 being a harmful gas, just the amount in the atmosphere creating a "greenhouse" effect.
Which brings me to my point. There are several known pollutants, that are proven harmful to our resources that we need to do something about. If climate change, (due to increased CO2 levels), is not true, it is a waste of time and money better well spent elsewhere.
j
[2 john 9 11, nwt].
[john 14:6, nwt] .
[john 14:6, nwt] .
Outstanding letter, Jon! I spent the last hour and a half reading all of it, (I rarely do that with very long posts, btw...).
If you don't mind, I'd like to keep a copy of this for ideas for my own family.
Jason
while he says he has not seen a letter ,he tells me that at the last visit the co told his body of elders pretty much what is being said here on jwd.. he gave some examples: .
1- if a young ms/pioneer, attends college and lives at home, would he and his elder dad be deleted?
the young man is "spiritually focused".. 2- an elder's daughter attends college in the hopes of having a good job in the future and dad promotes this course of action.
This one is just plain over the top. If this is for real, there will be serious repercussions in the borg. They would much better off just banning college outright, rather than create such a subjective, (and might I add pharasaical sounding), approach to controlling who can or can't decide to go to college.
I was skeptical for a while of whether or not the borg was in its death throws, but this seems to make it that much more clear to me.
j
watched tom tonight, and thought he made some excellent points.
i called, and actually got through, but the producer didn't put me on.
i wanted to ask tom if his leaving bethel in 1980 had any connection with the whole ray franz/ed dunlap incident,which was happening then.. as tom knows, i'm one of those ex-jws who became an atheist, so i took quite a different path than he did in leaving the jws, and i certainly don't agree with his conclusions.
Hi Tom and S4,
Does EWTN plan to re-air this anytime soon? I missed it, but would like to see it.
Jason
for those of you who arrived late to the watchtower study, the original post is here:.
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/10/158600/1.ashx.
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Nice one, V!
j
i was just curious about this - as i've noticed that when some on the board are trying to be helpful or assist some who have faded or exited the jehovah's witnesses to deal with their circumstances - whether it's dealing with believing mates, relatives, or in making an independent stand for their freedom - at times people will come on the board sticking up for the cult mind control ways of the jws and attempt to hinder some of us from assisting a person to attain freedom from the witness cult .
i guess my question is - what would make a person come join an obvious anti-witness discussion board to come and communicate positive vibes about the witnesses ?
correct me if i'm wrong, but aren't there jehovah's witnesses websites people can post on to find and enjoy those of like mind and faith.
The apologists on the site make some of the best arguments against the bOrg. Keep 'em comming.
j
