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  What was your eye opening moment?

  by WasOnceBlind in

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  if you had to pinpoint the time or experience that finally made you open your eyes, what would it be?.

  i think for me it was the time i saw my dad shun his brother who he had not seen in decades just because he was a da'ed jw.

  i thought to my self "no way jesus would do that.

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  Subjectively - When I left my ex-wife and realized it was the best decision ever and should have done it sooner. Somehow the whole of JW rules on sex and marriage became utter nonsense to me.

  
  Objectively - 607/587

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  The Religion Of Rejection - And Now That Includes Me

  by dubstepped in

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  due to some recent developments i find myself in a new place, and at this point i've lost all of my family and fri....oh that's right, i never really had any friends in the organization anyway.

  just people that wanted something from me and a few people that i would invite to do things that occasionally said yes.

  the recent rejections of me got me thinking, so let's take a rejection inventory.. i had to reject all of the holidays when my parents started studying.. i had to reject any worldly friends that i already had.. even family became rejected, and the new religion had some place in that.. i was rejected in school and bullied all of the time, not just because we were poor and i made good grades, but for jw reasons too.

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  Good read, dubstepped. I appreciate your thoughts, and can relate. In my case family mattered little, but a few key friends I lost, (one recently), hurt very much. I deal with that pain daily.
  

  Rejection sucks for sure. But I agree that it is the nature of the organization. On a further thought, I believe it is why most JWs don't feel the loss caused by their shunning. They are institutionalized to become used to dealing with rejecting everything, to the point of dehumanization. They live a life of loss.

  For that be thankful you are not one of them anymore.
  
  

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  My Story of Waking Up - in retrospect

  by cappytan in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  so, many of y'all know bits and pieces of my story of waking up, but i thought it might be nice to have it all in one place.. i was baptized at 11, auxiliary pioneered every summer, regular pioneer at 17, ministerial servant by 19, then went to bethel for a year.. i always had minor doubts from time to time, but nothing serious.

  always dismissed doubts and decided to "just have faith.".

  after leaving bethel, i was never really firing on all cylinders "spiritually speaking.

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  Good story, Cappytan. I enjoyed reading that. I agree that 607/587 was the lynchpin that took all of the support for the rest the doctrine away immediately. No chance of ever going back after learning that.
  

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  Why a new "World Headquarters"?

  by 4thgen in

  1. watchtower
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  i just dont get it.

  the gb moved to patterson and are conducting business from there, right?

  they are not printing as much literature as they once were and they are still operating walkill for the magazines...er a ....pamphlets.

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  Brooklyn Heights is prime real estate, on a worldwide scale even. Most of those properties they are selling for dollars on the penny, considering what they paid for them decades ago.
  

  Warwick is barely suburbia in the greater NYC area. Its cheap, and will be worth at least 10x as much in 30 or 40 years. Its all about long term financial planning.

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  Now Even JW Men Are Going To Die At The Big A

  by OneFingerSalute in

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  so this weekend there was a part about not following jesus at a distance.

  the speaker made a big point of stating that any baptized jw male who was not either appointed ms/elder, or at the very least "reaching out" actively, was in fact following jesus at a distance.

  he said that the only way to live through the big a was to follow jesus closely.

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  Sparrow - If it weren't for the gutter, my mind would be homeless...
  
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  Now Even JW Men Are Going To Die At The Big A

  by OneFingerSalute in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  so this weekend there was a part about not following jesus at a distance.

  the speaker made a big point of stating that any baptized jw male who was not either appointed ms/elder, or at the very least "reaching out" actively, was in fact following jesus at a distance.

  he said that the only way to live through the big a was to follow jesus closely.

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  Is not the proportion of men to women in the org something like 3.5 to 6.5? With this policy, it seems in the new world this might be something like 1 to 10...Hell, with that ratio, maybe I'll go back!

  Just kidding.

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  The monthly broadcast as an opportunity to wake up

  by paradisebeauty in

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  i was thinking that maybe the monthly broadcasts are a occasion for some jw's to wake up.

  before those broadcasts they probably imagined that the gobgoverning y members are some very special peopleand that you see in their behavior and words that they are "chosen".

  but now all jw's can see them for who they really are: average men, some full of themselves, some ridiculous, some just normal men with nothing special.

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  FMF - We are far more aware of content with the JW's, the Bible, the Broadcasts than in R&F. They just check out, do their time, look at the pretty lights, then rave about how wonderful the koolaid tastes. You have to pay attention to wake up.

  
  

  I agree with your and Steve2'a thoughts on this. However, I would add that there are still thinking JWs among the ranks, and this is the kind of stuff that causes extreme CD for them. What I have noticed is that this type tend to tune out a lot of this, becoming increasingly apathetic towards what comes off the platform. They may in fact never mention it at all, but slowly the apathy builds.

  Once that happens, there is a tendency for them to become very susceptible to something putting them over the edge. I think that explains a lot of the recent activity here.

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  HOW MANY WOULD LEAVE?

  by disillusioned 2 in

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  2. friends

  there are a lot of people on this site and others who even though they don't believe anymore still fill the seats at the meetings.. i was just wondering, if they all decided to leave at the same time, how many do you think would leave?

  would the numbers drop dramatically?

  i would love to see that..

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  Shunning, (and fear of it), keeps people in. Humans are social creatures and shunning is unnatural treatment that people are instinctively fearful of. Many believers that don't fit into the category of "needing" the religion would stop believing if this threat did not exist.

  I count those that "need" the religion as those that are dependent on it for career or existential needs.
  
  

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  Best Argument for Atheism - In your view.

  by LAWHFol in

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  if crisis of conscience is one of the top watchtower doctrine killers, what is the coc of theism?.

  i'd like to read a book, or other material that does the best job logically arguing for atheism.. i've not read any darwin, however it is my assumption that his focus is primarily on evolution, is this correct?

  if you were to recommend one book or a few pieces of reading material, which do the best job of defending atheism, what would they be?.

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  Doltologist-

  
  I agree at a practical level, any sky daddy wizard concept falls outside of what we call common sense. My point was, common sense is relative. Until someone learns to think critically, what might be common to us, is not so much to a theist.
  

  In case I was not clear, I understand atheism is not a belief system. I am an atheist myself. I kind of thought that was clear. That said, prior to reading Dawkins' book in 2006, my understanding then was incorrect, just as it was for almost everyone else here at one time. By framing the definition of atheism correctly, this gave me something to build upon over the next 5 years.
  

  I am not here to pat myself on the back. I offer this information as someone with 10 years experience out of the cult to help others who are not as far along.Take what you need, and leave the rest.
  

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  Are Jehovah’s Witnesses losing the War on Apostates

  by Watchtower-Free in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  found this.

  http://jwalumni.org/2015/06/08/who-are-jehovahs-witnesses-september-watchtower/.

  by misha anouk on 8. june 2015 in news

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  done4good

  How can any thinking person possibly accept such hubris??? The tone and content of the September 2007 KM has become the norm. Unbelievable!

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