Faith is reduced to just believing what the watchtower says at the moment.
Sad, but true.
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JW view of Worship is the problem
by Amazing inin some private discussions with ex-jws over the years, i have boiled down some of the disagreements to a different view of what worship is or is not.
this view often unwittingly affects ex-jws, and underpins their arguments, even though they do not realize it.. to a jw, worship of jehovah is done by going out door-to-door, attending meetings, commenting, singing, and prayer.
these are acts only done to and for jehovah.. to a protestant, going door-to-door is nice, vene being at church is nice, but not worship.
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Lurkers: Why the Watchtower REALLY Opposes Holidays
by metatron inno doubt many of you used to wonder why so many potential jehovah's witnesses had a problem with dropping the celebration of holidays,.
especially christmas.
i can recall some publishers wondering aloud why their bible studies were ready to swallow watchtower doctrines.
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Watchtower is partially right that SOME holidays are pagan, such as Christmas and Easter, but they should leave thanksgiving, harvest festival, mother/father/grandmother days and birthdays well alone.
Yes, but the point is, so many things, (the calendar we use, wedding rings, etc), have pagan origins, and the WT dosen't care. They claim the "difference" is that no one uses such things anymore for pagan purposes. To that I say let me ask the WT this, when was the last time you heard of anyone worshiping the sun on Dec 25?
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Lurkers: Why the Watchtower REALLY Opposes Holidays
by metatron inno doubt many of you used to wonder why so many potential jehovah's witnesses had a problem with dropping the celebration of holidays,.
especially christmas.
i can recall some publishers wondering aloud why their bible studies were ready to swallow watchtower doctrines.
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I told her that if I was raised celebrating the holidays that my family would be much closer. Right now it's like were are aquaintences not family.
Ouch!!! I know the feeling, and that is a very true statement. My mother's side of the familty, (the Witless side), used to be very close. The jws on that side of the family have now drawn a line down the middle of the familly to a point now, where no one even feels comfortable with anyone else, even when they do get together for some odd event. Even the jws dislike each other, now.
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The Bible -- The Watchtower Makes a Convincing Case
by AlmostAtheist ini was roaming around on watchtower.org today because... well... it's a couple hours until anything good comes on, and i've watched all the animaniacs on youtube.com, so... you know how it is... .
anyway, i found this article on the bible interesting.
note what it says about how great the bible is: .
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The global flood and the ark is some very interesting fiction. I am amazed at how many people not to metion JW's believe the story. That is what started me in questioning the entire bible. It only went down hill from there.
This was always one of those things that I just always felt had a nonsensical nature to it, even as a young kid. I just chose to "put up" with it, knowing it made no scientific sense. Shame on me.
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If You Had Internet Access Years Ago----Would You Have Gotten Out Sooner?
by minimus ini don't know if i could've 15 years ago because of having nowhere else to go, but now i know i couldn't stay.
what about you??
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I hate to admit this, but although I considered researching jws on the net years ago, (late '90s), and had Internet access a good few years before that, (1995), I could never bring myself to do it then. It really took personal changes in my life to get to "wake up" to the point where I could freely research dubs on the net. Glad I did though.
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When is a fade finished?
by Nellie inso i was thinking - if i don't da myself and they don't df me, am i doomed forever to this limbo called "fade?
" when do i stop worrying about "what if they find out?
" when will they (if they saw me) just think of me as someone they knew, rather than "one of their flock" - even when they know i'm inactive?
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It all depends, really. I didn't attend a meeting for about 6 months before any elder even decided to give me a call. I didn't answer any of the calls, and eventually, they just went away. I have an "inactive", (borderline fading), jw buddy who later told me that the elder who called me asked him if he knew of my whereabouts. He just told them that I moved out of the area. The elder then replied, "Good, he's not our problem anymore". Bottom line: Most of the time the elders really don't want to chase after anyone anyway, and normally, just a good "Don't call me anymore", is enough for them for go away.
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What Would Make A Jehovah's Witness Decide To Finally "Get Out Of Her"?
by minimus inwhat "thing" could happen to make someone decide to leave the organization for good??
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As was mentioned above, I could not let those "nutjobs" control my life any longer, (even if they had the truth). Too many bad things happened that could have been minimized were it not for attempting to stick to the rules. The cold atmosphere of elders meetings held during my martial issues with my ex, as well as the judicial process was an eye-opener too. I began to realize that I had been rationalizing and excusing thier behavior for years. So I just quit one day. Things like 607/586, UN, etc, only confirmed my doubts.
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Did leaving the borg ruin your marriage
by Billzfan23 inhas anyone else here left the borg and had it go over like a lead ballon, ruining their marriage?
mine is quickly heading that way.
i have been married for about a decade, and have a couple of kids - both in grade school.
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The Borg ruined my marriage, then my ruined marrige got me out of the Borg!
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Sacking of entire bodies of elders
by yaddayadda ini once heard about nearly an entire body of elders in a congregaton that got demoted/sacked from being elders because of some scandal in their congregation that they collectively covered up or didn't deal properly with.
i think it was about some relative of a dominant elder that should've got disfellowshipped but they all brushed it under the carpet.
the branch heard about it and sent a circuit overseer especially out to investigate it and he sacked nearly all of 'em and some new ministerial servant school graduates were quickly assigned to come in and take their place.
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Angelacos wasn't the CO there was he??
You mean the big Greek guy? He removed three, (at least), on our BOE in the early '90s. The PO and two of his buddies.
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Tonight's service meeting
by sspo inwhat a load of crap- 10 min.
asking for more contributions in order to build more kh and reminded everyone not only to give cash but don't forget about leaving something for them in your will.. 25 min.
on the proper use of blood which is also a joke.. the km mentioned you cannot take the four components of blood individually in your body but every component was broken into smaller fractions which is up to you to make a decision to accept or reject.. the common jw does not know their left from their right in making decisions about the dozens of fractions of blood but they will obey blindly and not ask a question because that would be considered apostasy.. .
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The KM mentioned you cannot take the four components of blood individually in your body but every component was broken into smaller fractions which is up to you to make a decision to accept or reject.
The common JW does not know their left from their right in making decisions about the dozens of fractions of blood but they will obey blindly and not ask a question because that would be considered apostasy.
I remember when they first came out with this nonsense, my immediate thought was WTF? I know I had no idea on how to proceede given the opportunity to make those decisons. I never did get the proxy form completed.
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