Posts by done4good

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Did feel that you were at a mental breaking point at the point of leaving?

by jambon1 in

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friends

prior to you leaving the org did you come to the conclusion that if you didnt actually take the step and leave, that you would run into serious mental difficulty.. i really feel that for 5 years proir to my finally leaving i was quite impaired mentally by the teachings and practices of the org.

it was coming to a head though when i finally announced that i was leaving.

i really felt that i was under intense mental pressure and that if i didnt get out then i may end up doing something serious.

done4good

Yes. I was actually there before I left, I went into passive observer mode before completely leaving.

j

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Da' Colt's and Da' Bears!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by AK - Jeff in

i consider brooke my friend - but two weeks from now i will be rooting against your bears, babe!!!.

what a finish for the colts - bout time.

i have been waiting for them to get to the "show" since they moved to indiana.. go colts!

done4good

Even though they beat my beloved Chiefs, I'm rooting for Manning this year. It's his turn.

j

17

You Need a Good Talking To

by The wanderer in

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friends

you need a good talking tolooking back, i realize that one of the biggest turnoffs in.

the organization was when individuals made it their business to become.

involved in your personal affairs.. turning away from the organizationthere were three or four incidents with circuit overseers and .

done4good

There are too many to list, probably, but here are a few:

1. I have a job that requires considerable travel, (you can guess how this goes over with the BOE, and others). I've been told to quit my job, and find alternative employment many times. (usually by office cleaners, window washers, etc).

2. "Brother we know how dedicated you are, but you must be more VISABLE in the fs if we are going to appoint you" That's what they said to my face, I heard terms like "floundering" through the grapevine.

3. "Brother, how regular is your family bible study?" (As if that could fix my relationship with my brain dead ex-wife)

j

93

YOU "THINK" YOU KNOW.....BUT...YOU DON'T KNOW!!

by Terry in

the door to door work is a sham.. the central activity of the watchtower bible and tract society is not spreading their so-called "messege" about the kingdom of jehovah established in the heavens in 1914. that's a load of propaganda.. the door to door activity is feckless in producing converts.

in fact, it is an immense failure of mammoth proportions!.

but, it is a diversion.

done4good

I agree completely, Terry. It really is obvious to us now, but at one time we were deluded also. The men in charge are so disconnected from reality that they don't SEE what's wrong with what they are doing. We can basically mutiply how we thought, (when in the WT), by 1000 to maybe get some grasp of how the GB thinks. Very sick.

j

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YOU "THINK" YOU KNOW.....BUT...YOU DON'T KNOW!!

by Terry in

the door to door work is a sham.. the central activity of the watchtower bible and tract society is not spreading their so-called "messege" about the kingdom of jehovah established in the heavens in 1914. that's a load of propaganda.. the door to door activity is feckless in producing converts.

in fact, it is an immense failure of mammoth proportions!.

but, it is a diversion.

done4good

Terry,
I believe that if the aquiring of money were the motive for the WTS it would be a much easier beast to bring to heel. My experience is that the GB and those in 'higher office' strongly believe the ideology that the WTS stands for. They believe it as strongly as you believed it when at your most fervent. This is what makes them so difficult to deal with as an Organization, and this is why Raymond Franz refers to the GB in 'Crisis Of Conscience', as 'victims of victims'. Ted Jaracz for example, refuses to accept any of the personal 'donations' that are sent his way and either returns them or places them in the coffers.
The aquisition of buildings, and now the selling of many of these buildings are viewed by the WTS as a tool to enable them to 'do the will of God'. I do not believe this is about money with the WTS, I wish it were!
The WTS do have personnel in the Bethel homes who specialize in investment in equities and other vehicles for safeguarding its investments. This frankly seems to me to be prudent for a large Organization that costs millions each year to run. I know some of these 'investors' have made a lot of money for some of the Bethel staff whose portfolios are handed to them. I know of a Branch co-ordinator who has for many years refused the monthly stipend that he and his wife are entitled to as he no longer needs the cash, now being financially independent.
I think that the ideology of the WTS is far more dangerous than its wealth, but it is this wealth that allows it to propagate and grow its poison.
HS

I haven't read beyond Hillary's post yet, as I didn't want to loose my thought, but she makes a very valid point. What the WT does is far more insideous, BECAUSE they believe in what they are doing, with sincerity. This makes it very easy for them, to not only hoarde money, but it is also, what makes them entirely aloof when it comes to dealing with the r&f in general. Think about this, if they BELIEVE they are the one and only true religion, they can just about justify any behavior that appears to support the religion's goals, including securing real estate, investing in defense companies, etc. Remember, it's THEOCRATIC WARFARE...

j

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Why are EX-JW's and JW's in doubt(faders) so ''afraid" of the elders?

by booker-t in

i have been out for years now but i still tremble alittle when i run into an elder at the store or run into an elder on the street and my post question certainly applies to me as well but why do i still have fear of jw's elders?

i have been da'd for so many years but that fear still comes up.

and reading alot of the post here i still see ex-jw's and jw's faders living a pretended jw life or pretending to be happy when they are miserable in the wt.

done4good

Peronally, I'm not afriad of them, however I don't much like confrontation. Another problem, for myself, is brutal honesty. In most instances, I would likely "tell them like it is", and end up with a JC if questioned too much, perhaps even offering information to them, that they didn't even question. While most jws don't talk to me anymore anyway, I would prefer to at least keep my lines of communication officially open with a few of them for as long as possible. I realize this may not be the case forerver.

Fortunately, for me, I live at least an hour away from any congregation I was formally associated with, so such encounters are rare, at best.

j

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A Letter to the Governing Body

by truthsetsonefree in

(km 6/03 p. 1 par.

9 building for an eternal future, w87 2/1 p. 15 par.

(km 11/88 p. 4 par.

done4good

Excellent letter! I'm saving this one.

j

15

Honestly-Did you ever......

by avidbiblereader in

read the entire bible all the way through, whether as a witness, after you left or did it take leaving to actually get the time to read it?.

abr.

done4good

Thanks, abr!

j

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Did the Watchtower Society Cause Mental or Emotional Damage?

by The wanderer in

jw
friends

did the watchtower society cause mental or emotional damage?the argument is the watchtower caused one, the other, or a combination .

in my particular case, it was emotional damage because individuals consider me .

to be fairly intelligent and clear minded.. what is your perspective about this matter?did the watchtower cause mental or emotional damage?

done4good

Yes and No. Damage? Yes. Permanent? Maybe, but I am healing. However, I have to agree with Black Swan. Experiences in life, (good and especially bad), serve as teachers. If we recognize the damage, and begin a healthy course, we are more than halfway there already. I have no regrets of my jw experience. I learned many things from both being there, and exiting from it's grasp. It made me a better person.

j

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Honestly-Did you ever......

by avidbiblereader in

read the entire bible all the way through, whether as a witness, after you left or did it take leaving to actually get the time to read it?.

abr.

done4good

Interesting question. I always found this extremely difficult to do as a witness, even though I attempted it several times. After leaving, I found myself becoming a very pragmatic thinker, and tended to lean towards atheism, so it seemed I would probably never attempt it, as I thought it unecessary. After having some time to purge myself of the jw think, recently, I found myself reading certain parts of the bible and actually getting some sense out of things, that I never did as a witness...scary.

I actually am going to read cover to cover now. But I need a good translation first. Any suggestions?

j