I would like to know if there are trinitarians here and please could you share with me your thoughts on proverbs 8:22 - 36 Where it appears to be teaching of Jesus being bought forth by Yahweh, as the beginning of his way (however not the Begging for GOD has none ). alternately non trinitarians put your views forward. we seem to have cases for / against trinitarianism. and the discussions fascinate me. Ade
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12Proverbs 8:22
by Ade ini would like to know if there are trinitarians here and please could you share with me your thoughts on proverbs 8:22 - 36
where it appears to be teaching of jesus being bought forth by yahweh, as the beginning of his way (however not the begging for god has none ).
alternately non trinitarians put your views forward.
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God's name ??
by Ade ini know this has probably been covered before, if so i apologize for dragging it up again.
1) is it acceptable just because its an accepted pronunciation to call god je-ho-vah
2) should the witnesses constantly be saying jehovah this and jehovah that, as it seems to me to be taking up gods name ( if it is correct ) in a worthless way.
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I prefer just to refer to GOD as father ( the way Jesus instructed us to ), as i feel i cannot thus offend the true GOD, at least by mis-pronunciation of HIS name. I also agree that people theorize the way it should truly be pronounced, but we should think how quick we are if someone gets our name wrong, and how annoyed if they continue to do so. all the best GOD bless you all Ade
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The meaning of the word "version"
by elatwra ini have a question.
i was recently talking to some jw acquaintances and was told that the king james version, niv all the other translations i was mentioning are just "versions " of the bible whereas the nwt is a translation.
i was stunned and could not come back with an inteligent and scholarly reply(well aint that the pot calling the kettle black did not sound neither inteligent nor scholarly).
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you should really just enquire of them which of the so called versions they have fully read so as to make such a remark!! Then ask them to sit down with their own interlinear translation and explain why their bible has so many obvious errors in it ( its obviously to assist with their doctrine ).also why the original aramaic/greek text in the left column of their own interlinear bible bears no resemblance to the english in the right hand column of the same bible. Also ask them if its the case that the King james versions etc are so bad . Why the WTBTS bought the Emphatic Diaglott ( now the interlinear ) from the vatican ?? - what were they doing reading Vatican manuscripts in the first place . surely that is using Babylon the great literature in their eyes. Then you could question them as to how brother Knorr could translate a bible with no formal training in languages?? Some of the errors include ; John 1:1 in (the) beginning was the Word, and the Word was - God, and God was the Word. In the original text the subject has the article and the predicate has it not; hence translate "The Word was God" Their translation "And in the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God, and the word was A god" Also ask them to make true sense with you concerning Reveation/Apocalypse 1:7 - 8 . where they have added the phrase " I AM the alpha and the omega says JEHOVAH GOD" however verse 7 is most definately speaking of Jesus Christ . this verse in their own Diaglott/Interlinear is translated "I AM the alpha and the Omega saith the Lord God, Which is, and which was, and which is to come, The Almighty" They have changed their bible to doctrinate unsuspecting peoples. Then read Revelation 22:18 "If anyone shall taketh the words from this prophecy, then God shall taketh he from the scroll of life". to Add your own wording is to take away the authors thougts from the prophecy. so therefore ask them if they can expect to be in the book of life ??? there are many more errors and deviances in their "version" of the scriptures hope this helps a little God bless you and yours -Ade
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God's name ??
by Ade ini know this has probably been covered before, if so i apologize for dragging it up again.
1) is it acceptable just because its an accepted pronunciation to call god je-ho-vah
2) should the witnesses constantly be saying jehovah this and jehovah that, as it seems to me to be taking up gods name ( if it is correct ) in a worthless way.
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I know this has probably been covered before, if so i apologize for dragging it up again. 1) Is it acceptable just because its an accepted pronunciation to call GOD JE-HO-VAH 2) should the witnesses constantly be saying JEHOVAH this and JEHOVAH that, as it seems to me to be taking up GODS name ( if it is correct ) in a worthless way. To illustrate, would you in conversation keep saying ohhh Bob this and Bob that etc ( Bob being your earthly father ) 3) Why did Jesus never actually mention his Fathers name or indeed tell us to use it in prayer etc ( although the society have placed it constantly throughout the N.T) 4) It would appear the Divine name was not said by the Jews out of reverence for the creator ( not out of Jewish superstition as the WTBTS try to teach/or at least in the UK they teach this ) - is anyone/everyone in agreement with this statement. 5) Would we not be closer to say Yah-Weh if we were to pronounce GODS name. GOD bless you all Ade
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What book are they studying at the book study these days?
by unbrainwashed inhaven't been to one in a couple of years.
i know they just finished the daniel book.
what are they studying now?
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"what does the bible really teach"they are studying this while the light is shining brighter , however due to possible future electricity cuts the light may go dim, however a few years later the light will shine brighter again. possible future releases include : FLIP FLOPS - no its not a book about the footwear in Israel, its about doctrinal changes . wouldnt it be nice to have revelation part 2 : all the bits they missed out of part 1 because they cant get away with explaining them without proving ourselves wrong !!! God bless you all ( who serve him ) Ade
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Please help - convention info
by unbrainwashed ini decided to skip the convention for the first time this year.
i have been telling everyone in my congregation that i went but just didn't see them there.
a few nosey individuals are getting suspicious and they are trying to find out if i really went or not.
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Better still tell them you were measuring the inside of the kingdom hall passageways and the final length number was 1914 !!!! wow theres a shock , or was it 666 ??? Or you could say, i'm sorry brother i didnt go to the convention because i kept praying and praying for insight and understanding, But then i read the watchtowers that say Jesus doesn't hear my prayers. He only hears the prayers of the 144,000. better still say Leviathan pulled into the train station late. all the best GOD bless you and yours Ade
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Recently Studied With JW's--need help breaking up
by Silvia Plath ini studied with the jw's for two years and some time this coming week i will be making the "phone call" to tell carol my friend, that i do not want to study any longer with the jw's.
i don't know why i let them into my kitchen to begin with, except there was something about her and i don't make friends well with other women, most of my friends are guys, but carol could tell a irish yarn that made you laugh and feel good.
she made me feel safe and she was fun to go shopping with and talk about problems too, she was like the mother i never had.
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Hi, You have my sympathy as theorizing that you are working against God if you leave or stop studying is an incredibly powerful mind controlling formulation of all MAN-MADE religions, i say this because religion is indeed man made. However those placing FAITH IN CHRIST and doing our utmost by our consciences and free will ( a gift given by God ) if they endure, are promised a place with God ( wherever that place may be is irrelevent - God may well at the end of the ages grant you heavenly life or an earthly one as you desire ).Nowhere in scripture may we find YHWH or Jesus saying you must be part of a man made organization!!! When Israel wanted a king , God Almighty was against this and was of the mind that FAITH ALONE should be enough. Jesus gave us a new law of LOVE and removed the mosaic law from us,Jesus also said his yoke would be kind and light, i fail to see how striving to hit the watchtower's unatainable goals is "lightly" following Jesus footsteps.Take your bible whichever one you have and read it at home IN CONTEXT Jesus your PERSONAL teacher will surely know that your heart is true and free you from bondage brought forth by an hierarchy of men. As mentioned by another member here, also get yourself a decent bible translation , Youngs literal , NASB , i have not read the king James revised and so cannot comment May God Almighty bless you and yours My families heart go out ot you and all like you who strive for a relationship God but are led astray by mens greed for power and money Ade
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the modern day prophet song
by Ade inhi everyone i was just thinking of a new anthem for the jw's maybe you could help out a little i just have a beginning to it.
to the tune of britney spears " oops i did it again "
oh baby baby how was i supposed to know 1914 would come and go and nothhhiiiinnnggg wooouuulllllddd haaapppeeenn oh pretty baby i shouldnt have let yooouu knnooowwww
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Hi everyone i was just thinking of a new anthem for the JW'S maybe you could help out A little i just have a beginning to it. to the tune of Britney Spears " oops i did it again " oh baby baby how was i supposed to know 1914 would come and go and nothhhiiiinnnggg wooouuulllllddd haaapppeeenn oh pretty baby i shouldnt have let yooouu knnooowwww oops i did it again i prophesied i played with your mind but now i just cant hide it !! any additions welcome
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Is the light getting brighter?
by leftbelow indo the wbts understand anything better today then they did 10 or 20 years ago other then they have been wrong alot?
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"teaching them to observe all, whatever I did command you,) and lo, I am with you all the days--till the full end of the age.'" if the light shone brighter and brighter from this statement onwards by Jesus.the light should have shone brighter and brighter to a "society" of people ( according to watchtower theory ) so how could C.T. Russell have had revelations from God when the bright light of knowledge was already there?? surely this BRIGHT light would have been passed from the "society" already carrying it to C.T.Russell ...... ooohhhhhh wait i understand now, God and his angels must have had the information on the star they used to live on ( please see the book Reconciliation ) and invited C.T.Russell periodically up for a chat and some new revelations , thats why the light was so darn bright... all the best everyone God bless
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Do You REALLY Believe That A Pedophile Issue Will Bring Down The Watchtower
by minimus ini see the excitement and thrill when a jw gets nailed for pedophilia.
i'm happy when any of these creeps get caught.
but i just don't think that this is what will bring down the organization.
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HI everyone, I'm new here and just about to be disfellowshipped ( presumbaly after last nights visit from one of the overseer's anyhow ) no this issue won't bring them down .But this is another mark against them to explain to Jehovah on the day he has stored for the appointed time for each and everyone one of us to be judged . God bless all you who seek the truth in Faith, not by men but by our saviour Christ. And may God heal the hearts of any young one hurt in this way by anyone , especially those claiming to be the chosen ones of God. All the very best to true brothers and sisters - Ade