i'm going to try to word this carefully so that we may all understand.
the writers of the bible used a word that the wts interprets as stake.
if this word does indeed mean stake, then what word should the bible writers have used to mean cross if it is not the word the wts interprets as stake?
I'm going to try to word this carefully so that we may all understand. The writers of the bible used a word that the WTS interprets as stake. If this word does indeed mean stake, then what word should the bible writers have used to mean cross if it is not the word the WTS interprets as stake?
KG
thirdwitness and other pseudo-scholars, .
firstly, i offer this disclaimer: i am not a scholar.
but i can add and subtract.
You just don't get it do you thirdwitness? The two are contemporaries. One is not a copy of the other. They were written at the same time comissioned by the same person. They back each other up. What we can not determine from one, we can obtain from the other. I say thank goodness there are two! So what if a 6 was interpreted as a nine or vice versa. They do look an awful lot alike especially if one is damaged. The point is: They are the same!!! They compliment each other as well as othe contemporary texts.
P.A.G.A.N. = People Against Goodness And Normalcy
"Read him his rights, Streebeck."
i believe i have come to realize that i am no better than the jdubs myself.
for about six weeks now i have been going to a book study with a friend of my girlfriend.
i act very interested, i give him the answers he wants to hear, i am the perfect and progressing study.
Thank you all for the input. I realize some of you are atheist/agnostic. I respect you beliefs and do not belittle them. I only ask that you respect my beliefs that i hold dear and not call them false regardless of your personal beliefs. I don't think i can stop going to my "studies." It is all too interesting. I am going to stop telling them what they want to hear, though. I feel this is dishonest to both myself and others. Perhaps i can ask such questions that will raise doubt in their minds. I do not wish to convert them to my beliefs, i just want to get them out of the high control group they are involved in. Maybe some of you can help me come up with such questions. I would prefer they not be too blatant, as i'd rather transition into my new role easily. Something that seems genuine, nothing accusing.
i believe i have come to realize that i am no better than the jdubs myself.
for about six weeks now i have been going to a book study with a friend of my girlfriend.
i act very interested, i give him the answers he wants to hear, i am the perfect and progressing study.
oops! Sorry mysterious, should have explained for those who do not know my story. She would be disfellowshipped for marrying me because she is divorced. We are not married, and it is a different reason she is DF'd now. She still belives in "the truth." I wish we were living happily ever after in non JW land. She, however, is seeking reinstatement and wants me to be by her side in JW land.
as you all know my brother was buried yesterday.
he was 33......... he did this ..........17 years after his father commited suicide.
the funeral took place at the funeral home.......a witness elder did the funeral.....my brother is not a witness, but my mother is.
I am so sorry purps. My thoughts and prayers are with you. I know what it is like to lose someone so close. I am glad you were able to be in an environment where those of all faiths could remember your brother and give you and your family all the support you need.
i am still very uncertainabout many things and trying to sort through jw brainwashing and what i believe which is pretty difficult having been raised a jw.
so i am interested in other points of view.. that being said is babtism neccessary for a cristian?
is it scitural to think that to be aproved by god youshould be?
I have always felt that baptism is the outward sign of the inner salvation. Methodists will accept any baptism from the mainstream denominations, as it is just a symbol. It is not necessary for faith in Jesus the Messiah. Many liken it to the Jewish circumcision. A mark of belonging to the faith. A way to pronounce proudly your beliefs.
i believe i have come to realize that i am no better than the jdubs myself.
for about six weeks now i have been going to a book study with a friend of my girlfriend.
i act very interested, i give him the answers he wants to hear, i am the perfect and progressing study.
I believe I have come to realize that i am no better than the Jdubs myself. For about six weeks now i have been going to a book study with a friend of my girlfriend. I act very interested, i give him the answers he wants to hear, i am the perfect and progressing study. I lie. I am so concerned for their souls, though. Every JW, i want to help them to know the true God and the nature and salvation of His son Yehsu. I am doing this to continue my relationship with my girlfriend. Our continuing became contingent on my studying and deciding that i would become a JW. I am so in love that it is hard to say no or that i do not believe. I have expressed my concerns with the organization to her. I feel like this is the only thing keeping us alive right now, though. She said that she would give up everything to be with me, meaning she would be disfellowshipped for me. I have already caused her to be DF'd. So do i continue my study, waiting for the opportunity to share the true faith with all the Jdubs i can, or stop. It is very interesting, though. Its a bit of a hobby to me. I am a religious studies minor (rockchalk Jayhawk!!!), and i studied with the Latter Day Saints never intending to be baptized into the faith (they decided i was wasting their time, what with my non-progression and all my faith destroying questions). I want to continue, but i do not want to lower my standards and live a lie.
thirdwitness and other pseudo-scholars, .
firstly, i offer this disclaimer: i am not a scholar.
but i can add and subtract.
It has always ammused me how non-mainstream apocalyptic denominations claim to have the true religion. Two that come to mind are the Latter Day Saints and Jehovah's Witnesses. Both claim there was once some great apostasy when Satan the Devil removed God's true faith frome this world! Somehow they believe the Bible survived, being canonized by apostates and itself being a copy of a copy of a copy. Their logic is irrational. Unfortunately they have explainations for it all. The New Light and what not. They claim God would never allow the Bible to be destroyed and altered from its true inspired form, yet apparently God allowed his true organization to disolve from this Earth. Perhaps another alien world needed it and God could only allow his true faith to be at one world at a time, but then agian, I always thought God was universal.
hi, i have been posting for a while now but haven't shared my story, and feel it would be theraputic to do so now.
my family is also on the site, although they dont post, just read.. i grew up a jw.
my parents were baptized when i was just a toddler...they were brought in by the only jw members of my dads side of the family.
That is quite a story. I can't believe they did not forward your letters! It sounds like they really had it out for your family. Reading stories like yours and so many others gives me hope. I had, untill a few weeks ago, thought i was the only one experiencing a bad situation with the WTS. Now i have come to see that all congregations are the same. They are all judgemental. It seems if you make a mistake you are condemned and sentenced before your trial. We are here to help each other. Please keep the posts coming, I look forward to hearing more from you.
KG
i've been gone for a week, so i'm having to do a bit of catching up!!
just wanted to say hi and that i am not one of the forgotten newbies who posts once or twice then loses interest and leaves.
looking back at what i have missed, i have to say that i have really enjoyed the 587 v. 607 discussion(s).
Yes indeed bigmouth, i am a clever pilot.
