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  Why has the BAPTISM Q changed?

  by artcritic in

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  "on the basis of this faith in god and in his provision for.

  salvation, have you dedicated yourself unreservedly to do.

  gods will henceforth as he reveals to you through.

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  So, now, like a pledge of allegiance to an authority, that is subscribed to as being binding as an oath, the revised baptismal questions make it clear to the new convert that he vows allegiance, not just incidently to jehover and jezzzuz, but to the ORGANISATION. If he sues, or threatens to, the WTS attorneys mail the malefactor a bulky package in the form of a legal brief wherin they cite the above Supreme Court quote, which permits the WTS to act as a "government" and "ecclesiastical court" They then remind the potential dissenter of his "oath" in baptism. So rather than face a potentially damaging court procedure, they invite the person to formally disassociate themselves

  Then somebody should sue them for not making clear how binding the baptism "oath" is. Also they should not be allowed to baptize people under the age of 18 since they cannot making such a legaly binding decision yet.
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  If these are the Last Days why didnt Jesus mention Global Warming?

  by jwfacts in

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  in a recent poll students rated global warming as their number one concern for the future.

  i guess terrorism comes in also at the top of the list.

  neither of these are included as signs of the last days.

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  bringing to ruin those ruining the earth

  Do you have a reference for when John said that?
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  (true) God

  by elatwra in

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  i was reading auld souls post on a different thread and i noticed that in 1st chronicles the nwt has the word (true) inserted in parenthesis in front of the word god.1 chronicles 15:25-16:6. and david and the older men of israel and the chiefs of the thousands came to be the ones walking along to bring up the ark of the covenant of jehovah from the house of obed-edom with rejoicing.

  and it came about when the [true] god helped the levites while carrying the ark of the covenant of jehovah that they proceeded to sacrifice seven young bulls and seven rams.

  and david was dressed in a sleeveless coat of fine fabric, and also all the levites carrying the ark and the singers and chenaniah the chief of the carrying by the singers; but upon david there was an ephod of linen.

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  ha-'elohim = (definite) article ha + elohim, meaning "god(s)". Literally, then, "the G/god(s)"

  Ok im feeling a little dense this morning so bear with me as I am trying to understand hebrew. Ha+elohim means both the god and the gods, it could be both singular and plural. Am I getting this right?
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  What's your favorite Watchtower Quotes?

  by drew sagan in

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  i'm building up a collection of watchtower quotes that i'm going to be printing out in order to talk with my wifes family (sometime in the future but i don't know when).

  just want to be prepared.

  so what are some of you favorite jw quotes?

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  elatwra

  Geronimo
  
  

  I know you believe you understand what you think I said, but I'm not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant

  
  

  lolI ll use that next time I am arguing with my husband.
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  (true) God

  by elatwra in

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  i was reading auld souls post on a different thread and i noticed that in 1st chronicles the nwt has the word (true) inserted in parenthesis in front of the word god.1 chronicles 15:25-16:6. and david and the older men of israel and the chiefs of the thousands came to be the ones walking along to bring up the ark of the covenant of jehovah from the house of obed-edom with rejoicing.

  and it came about when the [true] god helped the levites while carrying the ark of the covenant of jehovah that they proceeded to sacrifice seven young bulls and seven rams.

  and david was dressed in a sleeveless coat of fine fabric, and also all the levites carrying the ark and the singers and chenaniah the chief of the carrying by the singers; but upon david there was an ephod of linen.

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  Do you have any idea what is the logic behind it?
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  (true) God

  by elatwra in

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  i was reading auld souls post on a different thread and i noticed that in 1st chronicles the nwt has the word (true) inserted in parenthesis in front of the word god.1 chronicles 15:25-16:6. and david and the older men of israel and the chiefs of the thousands came to be the ones walking along to bring up the ark of the covenant of jehovah from the house of obed-edom with rejoicing.

  and it came about when the [true] god helped the levites while carrying the ark of the covenant of jehovah that they proceeded to sacrifice seven young bulls and seven rams.

  and david was dressed in a sleeveless coat of fine fabric, and also all the levites carrying the ark and the singers and chenaniah the chief of the carrying by the singers; but upon david there was an ephod of linen.

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  I was reading Auld Souls post on a different thread and I noticed that in 1st Chronicles the NWT has the word (true) inserted in parenthesis in front of the word God.

  1 Chronicles 15:25-16:6 And David and the older men of Israel and the chiefs of the thousands came to be the ones walking along to bring up the ark of the covenant of Jehovah from the house of Obed-edom with rejoicing. And it came about when the [true] God helped the Levites while carrying the ark of the covenant of Jehovah that they proceeded to sacrifice seven young bulls and seven rams. And David was dressed in a sleeveless coat of fine fabric, and also all the Levites carrying the Ark and the singers and Chenaniah the chief of the carrying by the singers; but upon David there was an ephod of linen. And all the Israelites were bringing up the ark of the covenant of Jehovah with joyful shouting and with the sounding of the horn and with trumpets and with cymbals, playing aloud on stringed instruments and harps.
  
  And it came about that, when the ark of the covenant of Jehovah came as far as the City of David, Michal, Saul’s daughter, herself looked down through the window and got to see King David skipping about and celebrating; and she began to despise him in her heart.
  
  16 Thus they brought the ark of the [true] God in and placed it inside the tent that David had pitched for it; and they began to present burnt offerings and communion sacrifices before the [true] God. When David finished offering up the burnt offering and the communion sacrifices, he went on to bless the people in the name of Jehovah. Further, he apportioned to all the Israelites, man as well as woman, to each one a round loaf of bread and a date cake and a raisin cake. Then he put before the ark of Jehovah some of the Levites as ministers, both to call to remembrance and to thank and praise Jehovah the God of Israel, Asaph the head, and second to him Zechariah, [and] Jeiel and Shemiramoth and Jehiel and Mattithiah and Eliab and Benaiah and Obed-edom and Jeiel, with instruments of the string type and with harps, and Asaph with the cymbals playing aloud, and Benaiah and Jahaziel the priests with the trumpets constantly before the ark of the covenant of the [true] God.

  That is so strange. i checked the other translations I have and nobody else is doing it. Is that a common occurence in the NWT old testament?
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  "....you will be like gods, knowing good and evil."

  by Lilycurly in

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  i know this has been mentioned before, but i'd like to bring that question to the front again.

  not only from a jw's perspective, but also from all other christians.. who lied to man and woman in the eden story?.

  yahweh god says to men: 17 "nevertheless of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you are not to eat, for on the day you eat of it you shall most surely die.

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  Satan says: "No you won't. You'll just stop being naive and ignorant."

  Isn't there some things that you would rather never know? Do you protect your kids from certain subjects? Is it because you want them naive and ignorant?
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  "....you will be like gods, knowing good and evil."

  by Lilycurly in

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  i know this has been mentioned before, but i'd like to bring that question to the front again.

  not only from a jw's perspective, but also from all other christians.. who lied to man and woman in the eden story?.

  yahweh god says to men: 17 "nevertheless of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you are not to eat, for on the day you eat of it you shall most surely die.

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  If I tell my son that if he breaks one of my rules he will get such and such punishment but then one of his older siblings tricks him into breaking my rule, and I do not follow through with the promised punishment does that make ne a liar?

  They ate the apple but not on their own. Hence the altered punishment, chance for redemption...
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  "....you will be like gods, knowing good and evil."

  by Lilycurly in

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  i know this has been mentioned before, but i'd like to bring that question to the front again.

  not only from a jw's perspective, but also from all other christians.. who lied to man and woman in the eden story?.

  yahweh god says to men: 17 "nevertheless of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you are not to eat, for on the day you eat of it you shall most surely die.

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  How is giving them the knowledge and the ability to do evil helping them?
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  on the trinity

  by drew sagan in

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  i was just wondering what the opinions those on this board regarding this topic.

  i know some have moved towards more orthodox theology, others have not.

  curious as to what the opinions are of this.

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  An interesting thing I have been reading regarding this topic has to do with John 1:1 and if it even refers to Jesus at all. It is said by some that 'Logos' known by many as 'the Word' can actually be translated as meaning Gods wisdom and purpose. It is also said that the 'him' translated in this scripture (strongs #846. autos (ow-tos') can also be translated a number of differant ways including 'it'. With this concept in mind the scripture could actually read:
  
  
  In the beginning was the purpose, and the purpose was with God, and the purpose was divine. It was with God in the beginning. Through it all things were made; without it nothing was made that has been made. In it was life, and that life was the light of men. The light shines in the darkness, but the darkness has not understood[a] it.

  John 1:14And purpose became flesh and lived among us and we beheld his glory the glory of the only begotten of the father full of grace and truth...

  It is my opinion that no matter what you translate the word "logos" you cannot avoid it refering to Jesus.

  Tri-Gods are so common in Pagan thinking. Why not Christianity? They borrowed pretty much everything else and labeled it okay!

  Could you please give me an example of a pagan trigod? The "Does the bible really teach the trinity"? Pamphlet insists that there are many in Greek Roman and Eyptian mythology. I know greek and Roman nythology and could not find any tri-gods. Does anyone know Egyptian mythology?