turning a life affirming rule into a death-dealing policy is an amazing accomplishment.
we can thank the watchtower society for a mindset which makes this possible.. i've gone into great detail before about the watchtower blood policy itself.
it is a blatant and deliberate publicity stunt which takes the rather simple prohibitions of the laws of noah for gentiles on murder .
to the good girl
a student nurse question if you could be so kind to answer
if a person is undergoing chemo and it compremises a persons immune system which it does, taking blood t would surely compremise it further? since the immune system is already weak?
and if a person is taking blood in trauma, ami correct (very diplomatic now) in saying the blood cells take 24 hours to activate anyway? thats if they are accepted by the body?
thanking you my old china
S.H
turning a life affirming rule into a death-dealing policy is an amazing accomplishment.
we can thank the watchtower society for a mindset which makes this possible.. i've gone into great detail before about the watchtower blood policy itself.
it is a blatant and deliberate publicity stunt which takes the rather simple prohibitions of the laws of noah for gentiles on murder .
How many happy dead people do you know superhooper????
thats harsh i know plenty of people who are happy to put there faith first and deal with the consiquences(bad spelling sorry)
witness vs nazi?
they had to sign a piece of paper
my g father died choosing his faith first and he knew it would happen but that made him happy.
turning a life affirming rule into a death-dealing policy is an amazing accomplishment.
we can thank the watchtower society for a mindset which makes this possible.. i've gone into great detail before about the watchtower blood policy itself.
it is a blatant and deliberate publicity stunt which takes the rather simple prohibitions of the laws of noah for gentiles on murder .
james
sure, been a study since a little one step dad married my mum. i can assure u im not a jw. although im very fond of some of them. although some are strange! i stopped going bout 3 years ago, i got a gf and didnt want to be a hypicrite and lie to rents all the time. im not bothered by some of the hate for the witnesess theres alot of silly things that have happened and obviously annoyed people. the blood issue annoys me because i see more positives to not taking blood and the teaching is sound advice. and people call them child killers, im only defending there choice and that even though if my little girl needed blood desperatly me and my gf (no witness conections) have agreed we would push other methods if it came to it. and thats nothing to do with my influence. i perhaps can see why you may be baffelled by my presence. im just interested in what you guys have to day about a people who as a majority ( and there sins and annoying habits that we all have) are peace loving and dont want no trouble. seeing both sides on some subjects. but like i said some subjects are close to my heart.
i really dont mean to affend and annoy by my blunt englishness and bad spelling.
the faction thing, as i see it (and have read) is a choice for every individual, but i do see the fact is clear, its still blood BUT thats my choice and every witness can choose.
any more questions for moi??
the august 2006 awake, makes the claim that there is no benefit to blood transfusion except in trauma, according to proffessor bruce spiess:.
there are few if any (medical) articles that supposrt transfusion actually improving outcome.
" in fact, he writes that many transufusions 'may do more harm than good in virtually every instance except trauma,' increasing 'the risk of pneumonia, infections, heart attacks and strokes.'.
yes you jedi master. clever chap
turning a life affirming rule into a death-dealing policy is an amazing accomplishment.
we can thank the watchtower society for a mindset which makes this possible.. i've gone into great detail before about the watchtower blood policy itself.
it is a blatant and deliberate publicity stunt which takes the rather simple prohibitions of the laws of noah for gentiles on murder .
i could but perhaps if look for your self in a un biased journal on that subject.
you may see that other than the trauma patients long term and short term health is better.
see it from a medical journal. your hate may run through your veins for this subject but its quite simple, iv seen better improvment in patients who dont take blood after surgery than those that do.
im by no means completly clued up as i am still training and there are some very clever people on here, but taking blood is an old issue. i dont like smokers, well there habit but im not going to attack them and say they are killing there children through passive smoke. although by the sounds of it you might! :-)
im tired of repeating myself i just feel that some of your arguments are attacking witnesess rather than the subject.
if a person dies for there faith, it can make them the happiest person in the world and make them feel at ease.
look it up. its black and white. or red should i say...ha ha british humour.
the august 2006 awake, makes the claim that there is no benefit to blood transfusion except in trauma, according to proffessor bruce spiess:.
there are few if any (medical) articles that supposrt transfusion actually improving outcome.
" in fact, he writes that many transufusions 'may do more harm than good in virtually every instance except trauma,' increasing 'the risk of pneumonia, infections, heart attacks and strokes.'.
post to SCULLY
apologising for lack of knowledge on EPO
elective surgery used drug. i see.
however and i see your point. very diplomatic i may say. but the cons to taking blood are as i see it are greater. its becoming more dangerous. and i suppose i see everyday these new equipment and new stratagies that save lives and have better long term effects on the patient.
my argument is mainly at people who attack witnesses who say in decent comments on child killers.
im a very hot headed person and get livid when people are attacked unfairly.
apologising again and to that other clever chap. good point made i suppose.
S.H
turning a life affirming rule into a death-dealing policy is an amazing accomplishment.
we can thank the watchtower society for a mindset which makes this possible.. i've gone into great detail before about the watchtower blood policy itself.
it is a blatant and deliberate publicity stunt which takes the rather simple prohibitions of the laws of noah for gentiles on murder .
i assume you dont work in the medical profession? if you do your very old fashioned. sorry to be blunt. but im english, your argument is flawed i am afraid, you may be blinded as anger towards witnesess is ever increasing for whatever reason. but this is an old subject that will only go away when the MEDICAL PROFESSION and GOVERNMENT educate and promote the correct facts. i am not a witness, i WAS a bible study and my father is very respected elder. i see both sides but im afraid yours is very odd and un factual. if that is a word! you see blood very rarly saves lives, it increases disease through the globalization subject eg. virus in remote village in africa reaches londons black communities. it has happened. HIV the early stages can be missed in blood screening.
Jehovah makes it clear in leviticus and in acts 15; 28-29 how black and white. do you want it, if it was any clearer it would anger you that he thinks your dumb and it needs to be written word for word. like a childrens book.israelites were thousends of years ahead in their hygiene conditions because god knew that, if people had to drop a dump in the middle of the camp near food things like e coli would kill an unvaccinated population, cholora to! just to name a few of the possibilities. god had standards of cleaness... and washing your hands! how clever! except it isnt its just blatenly sensible!!!
blood carries thousends of diseases, and impurities. its a human fluid and its droplet and what do most severe viruses and diseases come in? DROPLET! and what the quickest way to infect? IV! so you see god was making it very clear that it was unclean. let alone that it represents life. because you just cant live without it can you? the answer is NO! two very good reasons why you should listen to god. youl piss him off and youl get ill most likely.
the fact is that most people dont want blood any more. because its dirty and trauma patients can have other blood less curing techniques even though they push it because frankly...its cheaper- a whole other subject. my sister could have had it but my parents stayed loyal to their god and her volume was increased another way. it saved her from blood loss.she only died because of other in curable problems.
so please do not critisize mr rutherford, or their god. they follow the bible the way it should be, they are respected in the medical world alot and have helped in pushing reasearch to a greater depth which has saved people from taking blood and therefor has saved lifes where they could have been lost.
one other point is it is a FUNDIMENTAL rule of a proper christian eg JWS not to have blood.
would you make a jew it pork?no
would you make a hindu eat a beef? no
i rest my case...never ever has anyone got the right to say jws like killing children.
people have left this subject in the last decade. i think you should too, most professionals in the medical field are being trained (like me a student nurse) to give medication with out blood transfusions.
i apologise if i seem rude and my spelling mistakes.
super hooper
the august 2006 awake, makes the claim that there is no benefit to blood transfusion except in trauma, according to proffessor bruce spiess:.
there are few if any (medical) articles that supposrt transfusion actually improving outcome.
" in fact, he writes that many transufusions 'may do more harm than good in virtually every instance except trauma,' increasing 'the risk of pneumonia, infections, heart attacks and strokes.'.
PERHAPS YOUR RIGHT SCULLY
I AM ONLY A STUDENT NURSE AFTER ALL,
BUT IF I HAVE HAD TRAING ON A BLOOD LESS UNIT, DOES THAT MEAN I AM RECIEVING THE WRONG IMFORMATION?
AND AS MY SISTER DIED AT AN EARLY AGE AND MY PARENTS MADE THE DECISION DOES THAT MAKE THEM IN YOUR VIEW BLOOD GUILTY? MY ARGUMENT WAS BASED ON EPO BEING USED FOR A JW. YOUR QUITE RIGHT IT DOES TAKE A LONG TIME BUT STILL ITS BETTER TAHN HAVING DIRTY BLOOD. WOULD YOU NOT SAY? EVEN THE WEST NILE VIRUS HAS BENN PASSED ALONG IN BLOOD AND CONTRACTING THAT THROUGH THE ENVROMENT IS NEARLY IMPOSSIBLE OUTSIDE AFRICA. YET HERE WE ARE IN BRITAIN.
VOLUME CAN MAKE ALL THE DIFFERNCE. IV SEEN IT, MY G FATHER HAS DEFO SEEN IT. YES YOU NEED HB, BUT IF THERE IS A PATIENT WHO WONT TAKE BLOOD VOLUME IS THE FUNDIMENTAL START TO THAT PATIENTS TREATMENT.
PLEASE TELL ME IF IM WRONG.
for those that broke up with a boy/girlfriend or a spouse, how do you know that you made the right decision?
PERHAPS PEOPLE GIVE UP TO EASY. YOU ONLY FALL OUT OF LOVE WHEN ONE OF YOU STOPS TRYING. YOU CAN FALL IN LOVE WITH THE SAME PERSON OVER AND OVER AGAIN IT JUST TAKES EFFORT. ONE IN THREE WILL DIVORCE. CHILDREN NEED BOTH PARENTS IF THEY ARE BOTH SOUND OF MIND. ITS EASY TO GET UP AND GO, MY DAD DID IT DONT MAKE A MISTAKE, YOUR KIDS COULD HURT BECAUSE OF IT, AND THEY ARE THE IMPORTANT ONES OUT OF US ALL. FAIR ENOUGH CHEATING AND BEATING ARE NO EXCUSES BUT OTHER THAN THAT ANYONE CAN AND SHOULD TRY. JW WOMEN ARE THE MOST TRUSTWORTHY I HAVE FOUND BUT ONLY IF THEY ARE PROPER ONES. NO DOUBLE LIVES. AND THEY WILL TRY HARDER.
AHHHH MY VIEWPOINT FLAWLESS OLD FASHIONED ENGLISHNESS, QUITE ESSENTIAL.
TIP TOP
SUPER HOOPER
the august 2006 awake, makes the claim that there is no benefit to blood transfusion except in trauma, according to proffessor bruce spiess:.
there are few if any (medical) articles that supposrt transfusion actually improving outcome.
" in fact, he writes that many transufusions 'may do more harm than good in virtually every instance except trauma,' increasing 'the risk of pneumonia, infections, heart attacks and strokes.'.
HI. IM A STUDENT NURSE AND WAS A BIBLE STUDY MY PARENTS ARE RESPECTED MEMBERS OF THE CONG AND I WAS JUST WONDERING ABOUT SOME OF YOUR ARGUMENTS. EXCUSE THE SPELLING MISTAKES, HOSPITAL STAFF EITHER CANNOT SPELL OR CANOT WRITE SO ANY ONE ELSE CAN READ IT ESPECIALLY THE DOCTORS!!! ANYWAY, THE hb IN A PATIENT IS ONE OF THE MAIN PARTS OF BLOOD AND IN CASE OF SEVERE BLOOD LOSS AN E.P.O INJECTION CAN BE GIVEN TO A JW AND IT WILL INCREASE THE PATIENTS SERVIVAL ALOT. IT MAKES THE HB PRODUCTION HORMONE WORK LIKE MADE TO CREATE MORE RED STUFF BU REALESING YOUR IRON STORES ETC ETC. ITS ALSO SAFER SINCE ITS NOT EVEN A FRACTION COMPONANT, SO THERE IS NO ETHICAL DILEMA. ALSO THE PERSON WHO WROTE ABOUT IT BEING SCARY, ALTHOUGH I SYMPATHISE WITH YOU FROM A VERY IGNORANT VIEW POINT I THINK YOU SHOULD CONSIDER THAT THE SOCIETY ARE MAKING IT VERY CLEAR THAT HOW DANGEROUS TAKING BLOOD CAN BE. BLOOD TESTS CAN MISS H.I.V SCREENING AT ITS EARLY STAGE SO YOU MUST UNDERSTAND HOW DANGEROUS IT IS AND JWS GOD IS OBVIOUSLY ONLY LOOKING OUT FOR YOUR BST INTERESTS AND WHEN A PATIENT IS BROUGHT IN2 TRAUMA HB IS NOT THE IMPORTANT THING BUT GETTING THE PRESSURE AND VOLUME OF BLOOD TO A STABLE AMOUNT IS AND SINCE YOUR BLOOD IS MAINLY WATER ANYWAY THERE ARE VARIOUS WAYS IN HELPING BLOOD RESERVES OUT ESPCIALLY IN YOUR SPLEEN. ALL I ASK IS FOR IS THE PEOPLE WHO DISS THE JWS WHO WRITE THE ARTICLES TO STOP AND RESEARCH IT FIRST. THEY HAVE A RESPNSIBILITY TO 6 MILLION BROTHERS AND SISTERS AND THE LEADING MEDICAL PROFFESIONALS OF OUR WORLD WOULD BACK JWS 110 PERCENT.
THANKS FOR READING
SUPERHOOPER.
