Posts by VanillaMocha73

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Need advice from elders, former elders and anyone else for that matter.....

by nonamegiven in

ok, i've been df'd for 5 months or so now and i'm getting ready to write a letter requesting reinstatment.

i'm assuming something like "i know jah has already forgiven me so now i"m asking you imperfect sinners to forgive me my sins and give me my life back please".

wouldn't work.

VanillaMocha73

Well, when I applied, I was told that since my ex-husband said no, that was it. But I would have to ask why you want back in? Have you examined this thoroughly? By their fruits you will know them - have you found Christian love in the congregation? If not, do you really want your name to be a part of it? I know it is scary and hard to lose friends and family - I know this firsthand. I put in almost a full year of hanging my head in shame, sliding in to the back of the KH and being treated like dirt. It got to where I could not take it anymore. Eventually, God led me to a Christian church and the difference was so night and day that I could not physically go back to the other anymore. God has given me new friends and a better family than I ever experienced. I have more than I ever asked for. So, before you put yourself through the humiliation and shame of applying to have your life back, think long and hard....

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Why Can You See Through the Watchtower While Others Cannot?

by The wanderer in

jw
friends

why can you see through the watchtower while others cannot?

compared with the six million jehovahs witnesses worldwide the .

so-called apostates are comparatively much smaller.

VanillaMocha73

I think for many of us, this was the way we were raised. This is all we know - our families and friends are invested in it. We are told that to question is wrong and scary. We are told we cannot have friends outside the "truth" because they will corrupt us. We are told to pioneer and to work for other witnesses. Our whole life is encapsulated in the Society and we are made completely afraid of the outside world.

Example: I was raised this way. I had little contact with "worldly" family as they celebrated holidays and would corrupt me. I was homeschooled to preserve me against worldly association. I graduated and went to pioneer, hence spending my days with other JWs. I worked for a brother. I was told how horrible Babylon the Great was - how they don't even know God's name and never open a Bible. I was told how everyone "outside" was going to be bird food. I was taught to cry over those who left, to hate and to fear. In such a contrived world, how could I see another universe?

It is like the elephant that was chained as a baby. He grows into a 2 ton beast who could snap the chain at any second. You can even release him from the chain, and he will stay within the 10 foot realm of what his chain allowed him to reach. That is his whole world and to stretch outside of it is frightening.

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In Memorandum

by RichieRich in

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friends

it was the 14th of april last year that i had to sit my mother down and tell her i was an apostate.. i was closer to her than anyone else.

my father and mother are still married, but he let her raise me as a witness, and that meant it was me and mom.. me and mom in field service for 100 hours in july because she had to make her time as a regular pioneer.. me and mom fighting over what to bring for lunch to the district convention.. me and mom up late at night, when she would berate me, and then unload all her problems on to me.. me and mom and our 4 hour family studies, where we discuss 2 paragraphs of a random book, and then she would browbeat me until early in the morning.. somehow, through all that, i pretended to be a witness for years, just to appease her.

looking back, i don't know if i loved her, or if i was just afraid of her.

VanillaMocha73

I just have to say that for a person to stay in the WT and be gung ho like your mom, my ex husband, and like my mom used to be, they have to be abusive. They are being abused. A normal person does not stay in this situation. My mom abused me, although I don't think she meant to. Yes, she hit me, spanked me, berated me, and I went through those hours of studies, the 100+ hours in FS, etc. My ex beat me and spent our entire life together berating and abusing me. I think this organization and abuse/abusers go together. Amazingly, after they df'd me, my mom started on her way out. She is not quite there, but she is an entirely different person. There is hope. *hugs.

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Revelation Book Conductors

by Alligator Wisdom in

any of you elders or ministerial servants conducting the revelation (it's grand climax at hand!

) book at the weekly book studies?.

if so, are you maneuvering thru with ease?.

VanillaMocha73

I can't even imagine trying to sit through a study, let alone conduct. Wouldn't it be a riot to bring in something like the Left Behind series to the study?

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Who did you hang around with amongst the JW's in your congregation?

by JH in

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friends

i used to hang around with the marginal witnesses, the ones considered weak.

those that missed meeetings occasionally, like me.. i used to go out in the service mostly with them and give them a lift to and from the hall.. it's as if i fit in better with more humble witnesses.. .

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VanillaMocha73

I am noticing here a lot of Ex-JWs who were pioneers. Wonder what the percentage is?

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Who did you hang around with amongst the JW's in your congregation?

by JH in

jw
friends

i used to hang around with the marginal witnesses, the ones considered weak.

those that missed meeetings occasionally, like me.. i used to go out in the service mostly with them and give them a lift to and from the hall.. it's as if i fit in better with more humble witnesses.. .

.

VanillaMocha73

Well, I hung out with most everybody. As a reg pio, of course the pioneers / elders. I didn't miss meetings, but I hung out with the misfits to some degree as well. Guess you could say I had a lot of friends. I wouldn't have left on my own - glad God gave me the shove I needed to get out.

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Do JWs know who the king of the north is?

by cultswatter in

i think they used to believe that germany was the kng of the north.

what is their official take on that.

btw does the rev grand climax book talk about that ?.

VanillaMocha73

It is a polar bear.... *** g93 12/8 p. 23 Impressive Giants of Canada’s North *** KING of the North” and “Lords of the Arctic” are striking titles shared by some 30,000 polar bears

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How many still live with consequenses made as a teen that still affect you?

by megsmomma in

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friends

with so many of us having gotten baptised at a young age and now dealing with the results of it.... it made me wonder how many decisions made at a young age still could and do affect your life.. example: when i was 14 i thought it was a good idea to marry this weird brother that was our land lord.

(thank goodness i was too young to do so) also, i thought it was a good idea to have pet monkeys....and a good idea to have my own apartment with several other young jw sisters...even thinking it would be a good idea to have babies.... i was too young to do any of those things...so i have no consequences from having those ideas....yet, getting dunked at that age was perfectly acceptable....and now i still pay the price.. are there any things you can think of that you would have done at a young age that could have made you pay for years to come?.

VanillaMocha73

Oh - and married a "wonderful ministerial servant" at age 18 so we could pioneer and be missionaries. Consequences lived with - 13 years of emotional, mental and physical abuse. Scars. One beautiful little boy.

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How many still live with consequenses made as a teen that still affect you?

by megsmomma in

jw
friends

with so many of us having gotten baptised at a young age and now dealing with the results of it.... it made me wonder how many decisions made at a young age still could and do affect your life.. example: when i was 14 i thought it was a good idea to marry this weird brother that was our land lord.

(thank goodness i was too young to do so) also, i thought it was a good idea to have pet monkeys....and a good idea to have my own apartment with several other young jw sisters...even thinking it would be a good idea to have babies.... i was too young to do any of those things...so i have no consequences from having those ideas....yet, getting dunked at that age was perfectly acceptable....and now i still pay the price.. are there any things you can think of that you would have done at a young age that could have made you pay for years to come?.

VanillaMocha73

a) Parents made decision to skip some needed back surgery to correct severe scoliosis, because Armageddon would be here before it ever affected me.
b) Parents made decision to keep me out of college because Armageddon would be here before I ever needed to hold down a job.

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any advice?

by J-ex-W in

my oldest son informed me tonight that he will not have a relationship until/ unless i do two things: 1) start going back to meetings (of course), and 2) show, seem, or whatever, that i'm sorry for all the pain that i caused him/ the family by divorcing their dad.

[i told him there are a lot of decisions i made that caused them pain which i do regret, but that i cannot regret leaving their dad.

this for him, is evidence of my wrongness in his and in wt eyes.. he said outright that "there can be no reason, short of dad being a serial killer" that could justify my divorcing him, and that the "only thing [that i] could tell him that would seem to justify it could only be a pack of lies.

VanillaMocha73

No - But sure would like to see that one. Anyone have a pdf of it?