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Using your anger to make positive changes

by Lady Lee in

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using your anger to make positive changes in your life

i was so mad i just exploded in rage.

how many times have you heard someone say, "that wasn't very mature of you," after you have lost your temper.

DJ

Gumby,

I do want to point you to nowisee's response and questions because I'm afraid that you may miss them. My dear friend, nowisee....never capitalizes....lol....and it is easy for me to miss, anyway but I always read everthing she writes. HI NOWISEE!!

I can relate to you because I have doubted too and I have also been very very angry at God. You are assuming that you know my life, my friend..but you don't. I have been through more than you can imagine. I could see that my faith was being stolen from me but I held onto one thread and it grew. I'm sorry if it bothers you that I still see that little glimmer in you, but I do. If I am right, hang tough because it is not a pleasant ride as you well know by now. It is not too late for you, you have not been snatched..just temporarily kidnapped. I sometimes feel that you have given up on yourself and considered yourself not good enough or something. That is wrong and you know it or atleast there is a little part of you that wants to know that. Hang onto that!!! It is yours to keep and it will grow, my friend. "Many are called" in Matthew means that many will hear the gospel message and ignore it or twist it even.....that is not you, you have been chosen.Don't let it get to you anymore.You feel like you are in a pit, I know (been there too). (((((((gumby)))))) Hang in there and stand tall! You will not fall further and you can climb up and you know who will help you. Just endure. I will keep you in prayer if you would like me to? I don't want to upset you. I care for you. love, dj

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John 1:1 - A "Sacred Secret" Revealed

by AGuest in

may you all have peace!.

i had opportunity yesterday, to peruse the thread entitled, "john 1:1 - good information" and there were some very... ummmm... "intriguing" responses.

some were very close to what is true; others, pure speculation.

DJ

Noko,

I use many myself. I believe that it is the best way to get the meaning. Some use words that are not as understandable as others in certain verses, so I compare with other translations to see if I can understand better. I have always had success using this method. Especially in Phillipians 2 where the NWT has the word "seizure" and RSV has "grasped" and NKJ has "robbery". then I checked the Greek and it meant "a violent taking". Then I understood!! Jesus did not consider it a thing to be grasped, that he should be equal with God..." That made sense because it is not an easy thing to understand is it?? It is just a matter of faith. No matter which word is used there...then meaning is clear unless [other] is added like the NWT has which does not belong there and is not in the Greek.

The Holy Spirit and Jesus and the Father are One..... love to you noko, dj

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Using your anger to make positive changes

by Lady Lee in

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using your anger to make positive changes in your life

i was so mad i just exploded in rage.

how many times have you heard someone say, "that wasn't very mature of you," after you have lost your temper.

DJ

Excellent, excellent post Lady. There is so much anger involved with the wt experience and the devastation it brings. Gumby, I relate to what you said. I think you are going to be ok.Hang in there and get the book. Thanks for the book title, kgfreeperson...it sounds like a must read for me. I have turned my anger at the wt into anger at God for letting it all happen in the first place and for allowing my family to bee still stuck in the cult. I see now that I was really angry at the wt but still a part of me was afraid to admit that completley because I still had some lingering doubts and trigger word issues. etc. Now I feel strong enough to be confident in my instincts that they are wrong and it has given me myself back again. I have no more fear of them. They really wreaked havoc in my life, even after I became a Christian, I still had questions and they went unanswered and that made me angry even more becaue it would send me back into that "what if they are right?" mode. It has taken years for me to begin to heal inside and replace their false teachings with true ones. Not an easy task by a long shot! I had to clear my head of all wt teachings and start from scratch, which was very hard. Once I could see that I was not wrong and they really had done a number on my head and dealt with that anger, only then could I se me again. I do not deal with anger gracefully...lol. It is major pain underneath and I let it well up until it explodes at the slightest thing. I have learned some new coping tools but I am in need of more. So, thanks again. Sorry for the long post. I feel like I am on the right road for the first time in my life. I am angry and it is ok. I believe that if my dying father and mom and siblings were able to get out..my anger would be gone. I just learned to pray for them without being afraid that they might be right after all. Sheeeeesh. what a head trip. love, dj

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Where's the love?

by EMTmom in

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i never really post here, but i read all the time.

i need to vent to someone and who better to vent to then all of you?

a little bit of background info.

DJ

Spanner,

I'm happy to help there!! I was thrilled when I first realized that teaching. It changed what I had been taught about God.

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Baptism in the name of WHO???

by LovesDubs in

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i was reading craigsa's post from his mother to his wife regarding how jws are baptized....and they arent baptized in the name of the father son and holy ghost as she so pointedly said twice.

all you jws out there who browse this forum...listen up!!

here are the questions you are asked when you are baptized and the changes to them over the years....do you see fs and hg mentioned anywhere here???.

DJ

Gumby.....I almost laughed, and would have if it the wt arrogance didn't still make me feel ill. Good point!

Heathen, Yes, I do agree....how nice awwww. excellent point!

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John 1:1 - A "Sacred Secret" Revealed

by AGuest in

may you all have peace!.

i had opportunity yesterday, to peruse the thread entitled, "john 1:1 - good information" and there were some very... ummmm... "intriguing" responses.

some were very close to what is true; others, pure speculation.

DJ

This is an amazing thread/ the power of God's truth to reveal what is false teaching, the spirit of error. I wish you all love and peace. It is clear to me that perhaps Aguest and noko still use the NWT, am I correct? The clue was "In union with" as apposed to just "in".

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A Common Mistake

by DJ in

as a jw, i was taught the wrong idea of what the trinity is.

the concept of the trinity does not teach that the father is the son.

DJ

Hi Kingpawn,

I think that Phillipians 2: 1-11 sums it up best. Keep in mind that some bibles translate the word that I have below as "robbery" or the NWT has "seizure" The bible I am quoting from now (RSV) uses the word "grasped". All of the words are correct imo, ans all make the point. I never understood the sentence highlighted below in the NWT because seizure sounded odd to me but when I checked other translations out..I could see that seizure fits but it also seems to be purposefully used to cause confusion. I don't know if I just mad esense to you or not.lol..

Phil.2: 5-11 Have this mind among yourselves which was in Christ Jesus, who though He was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, but emptied himself, taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men. And being found in human form he humbled himself and became obedient unto death, even death on a cross. therefore God has highly exalted Him and bestowed on him the name which is above every name, that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and earth and under the earth, and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

There it says that Jesus knew that we would have a hard time grasping or seizing that He was equal to the Father. Notice that he emptied himself and took the form of a servant of God the Father. He humbled himself. Also note that in Isaiah 45:23.....every knee will bow to God. We are not to bow to angels...(Rev)

Jesus was humbling himself in his subjective role to the Father, yet they are equal. That is what it says! I had a hard time with this at first but I had to ask myself if I was going to accept the bible truths or man's. I decided to accept the way that God has revealed Himself to us, whether I fully "get it" or not. Jesus knew that we would have a hard time getting it and it seems that He was right again! IMO, the jw's can't get it either, so they decided to "fix" it by twisting scriptures and adding [other] there too again! Why can't they see that Jesus knew we would have a hard time "seizing" this truth?? I think it is their pride in the way. They need to reason and understand everything. Yet, how are we supposed to be able to understand fully what God can do or be....we don't have his same thoughts, do we? He has revealed Himself and still people want to deny that. We humans are really messed up sometimes....lol...

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Need Reference

by Gadget in

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thanks everyone for posting on my thread about asking to be reinstated.

many of you said about a person who marries a df'd person getting df'd themselves, but the most recent article i can find on this is a question from readers in 1955. can anyone tell me where i can find a more up to date article?

and also, anyone who persistantly associates with a df'd person gets df'd themselves, but is there any articles to back this up apart from that on i already said about in '55?.

DJ

Gadget,

I'm sorry, I have no articles for you but it is a given that a jw cannot marry a df's jw and remain in good standing. Have you read Crisis of conscience by Franz? He was df'd for having dinner with his landlord who was df'd.

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