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  can we house swap here,or rent vacation homes on the cheap to friends here?

  by oompa in

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  cause i really want to visit australia and new zealand and bora bora or close by, and eleuthera, and quite a few other places............oompa.

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  you guys are funny. i live in denver (skiing, sightseeing, kayaking, etc) if anyone interested.
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  WT: mainstreaming, becoming more cultish, or disappearing?

  by JimmyPage in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  is the wt mainstreaming into a more normal religion, is it tightening its grip, or are its leaders preparing to take the money and run, leaving its followers high and dry?

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  Yknot

  [quote]If Losch and company have any ounce of intelligence and business savvy in them they will continue to seek the less westernized countries but will regroup through mainstreaming to recapture lost and dissatisfied western members.[quote]

  In line with Yknot's comment we could see the wt becoming 'inspired' and receiving 'new light' regarding the reinstatement process... to something more in line to what the scriptures suggest it should be.... but it wouldn't be a move motivated for love and compassion but $$$$
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  What do you think about this letter to the JC???

  by tsar_robles in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  hi guys and gals... you've probably read my earlier post regarding the prodigal son question and how the jc sent me packing... well, after talking with a good friend of mine i decided to move a new cong.

  where the elders have known me for many years and actually appreciate me as a person... at first i was planning on handing this letter in person so i went but their meeting time had changed so i called one of the elders in my reinstatement jc and asked him for the meeting days but he said 'it would be better if i mailed it' to which i replied 'do you just not want me around your congregation, is that it?

  he said again it would just be better to mail it again and left it at that.

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  thank you all.... i hope that if I ever get reinstated for one I wont be going out to field circus or tms and 2. I'll probably reduce my meeting attendance just enough where i can keep family ties in good shape....
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  What do you think about this letter to the JC???

  by tsar_robles in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  hi guys and gals... you've probably read my earlier post regarding the prodigal son question and how the jc sent me packing... well, after talking with a good friend of mine i decided to move a new cong.

  where the elders have known me for many years and actually appreciate me as a person... at first i was planning on handing this letter in person so i went but their meeting time had changed so i called one of the elders in my reinstatement jc and asked him for the meeting days but he said 'it would be better if i mailed it' to which i replied 'do you just not want me around your congregation, is that it?

  he said again it would just be better to mail it again and left it at that.

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  yes there is a reason... I cannot see myself not being able to share a laugh with my jw family ever again...
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  What do you think about this letter to the JC???

  by tsar_robles in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  hi guys and gals... you've probably read my earlier post regarding the prodigal son question and how the jc sent me packing... well, after talking with a good friend of mine i decided to move a new cong.

  where the elders have known me for many years and actually appreciate me as a person... at first i was planning on handing this letter in person so i went but their meeting time had changed so i called one of the elders in my reinstatement jc and asked him for the meeting days but he said 'it would be better if i mailed it' to which i replied 'do you just not want me around your congregation, is that it?

  he said again it would just be better to mail it again and left it at that.

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  I think it`s Frigg`n Bizarre..LOL!!........."Jehovah has prove Satan a Liar"..?????????????????????..Are they having a disagreement,that you personally know about??.............I`ll bet you`ve never met Jehovah or Satan..I`ll bet you don`t know a single person,that has met Jehovah or Satan!..LOL!!..You probably don`t know anyone,who knows anyone,who has met Jehovah or Satan..LOL!!..I have no idea how your going to live a sane life there..Look at what your doing to get back............I know you want to be with your family again..So good luck on that..........................(The dog is sleeping)...OUTLAW [quote] lol. you always make me laugh, OUTLAW... good points indeed... but no emoticons this time... whats up with that?? oh wait doggie's sleeping lol
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  What do you think about this letter to the JC???

  by tsar_robles in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  hi guys and gals... you've probably read my earlier post regarding the prodigal son question and how the jc sent me packing... well, after talking with a good friend of mine i decided to move a new cong.

  where the elders have known me for many years and actually appreciate me as a person... at first i was planning on handing this letter in person so i went but their meeting time had changed so i called one of the elders in my reinstatement jc and asked him for the meeting days but he said 'it would be better if i mailed it' to which i replied 'do you just not want me around your congregation, is that it?

  he said again it would just be better to mail it again and left it at that.

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  I'm glad you liked it purplesofa... really... at least I'll know that one person liked it and that's one person too many for me
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  Going back to Kingdom Hall Saturday

  by free2beme in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i last set foot in a kingdom hall in december of 1997. i was a servant who was very active, very faithful and had a wife who was the same way.

  we walked away without any warning and did not explain to the elders, or warn anyone we would not return.

  i remember the night we decided it was all wrong and we lived in an apartment at the time.

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  if it makes you feel better... i will be going to the kh tomorrow sat as well :) and yet I can't find my watch which also needs battery replaced lol
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  What do you think about this letter to the JC???

  by tsar_robles in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  hi guys and gals... you've probably read my earlier post regarding the prodigal son question and how the jc sent me packing... well, after talking with a good friend of mine i decided to move a new cong.

  where the elders have known me for many years and actually appreciate me as a person... at first i was planning on handing this letter in person so i went but their meeting time had changed so i called one of the elders in my reinstatement jc and asked him for the meeting days but he said 'it would be better if i mailed it' to which i replied 'do you just not want me around your congregation, is that it?

  he said again it would just be better to mail it again and left it at that.

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  Hi guys and gals... you've probably read my earlier post regarding the prodigal son question and how the JC sent me packing... well, after talking with a good friend of mine i decided to move a new cong. where the elders have known me for many years and actually appreciate me as a person... at first I was planning on handing this letter in person so I went but their meeting time had changed so I called one of the elders in my reinstatement JC and asked him for the meeting days but he said 'it would be better if I mailed it' to which I replied 'do you just not want me around your congregation, is that it? he said again it would just be better to mail it again and left it at that. So, I talked to the elder where I'm planning to attend and I asked him if I could just have him give them my letter and he said that's fine :) here's the letter... any opinions welcome :) btw, this letter is not asking for reinstatement but rather a follow up and clarificaton to my reinstatement hearing and my action plan for the future...my intention is not to complain or kiss up to them but just be clear on facts...

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  xxxx Congregation

  Body of Elders

  Judicial Committee

  J, P and T:

  After I left the judicial meeting this past Saturday I had mixed emotions such as feeling overly sad, hopeless, resentful and misunderstood all at once. I felt somewhat resentful and misunderstood in part because at the time I perceived that there might have been things that went omitted in preparation to my reinstatement request hearing. For example, it seems P. did not have the opportunity to read my original reinstatement request letter prior to the hearing. Also, as you may recall, there were some discrepancies regarding my meeting attendance while attending congregation XXXXX which troubled me. I was told that they hardly ever saw me there during that period of time; when even my nonbeliever wife knows it was the other way around. When I called brother XXXX (in cong. XXXX) that same weekend, he said that the misunderstanding might have occurred due to the fact that the report was given verbally over the telephone.

  Once again, it was not easy battling these and other mixed emotions last weekend; particularly feeling overly sad and hopeless knowing that as I mentioned during the hearing, my last attempt at making the meetings brought on me episodes of asthma and choking on my own vomit while driving to or from the meeting which at times forced me to abruptly pull over worrying that I could crash with my infant son aboard. I kept battling with these feelings for a few days thinking I could never do what Jehovah expects from me and this in turn made me feel even worse thinking that I could never be able to take the lead in my household as Jehovah would like.

  When I thought that my hopelessness and sadness could not get any worse I broke down as never before and poured it all out to Jehovah God. It is then while in this miserable state that I felt Jehovah’s mercifulness and felt how he cordially condescended and comforted me in great manner and came to fully realize as never before that I need more than ever to rely more on him and not so much on my own limited physical and emotional strength. It also became clear in my mind and heart as never before that despite the unintentional misunderstandings between you and someone emotionally touchy like me, he has utilized all of you since the beginning. For example, such as the time of my original judicial hearing when you tried to bring me to my senses, or such as these last occasions when some of you including bro. XXXX took the time to strengthen my path, discipline and reproof me in the things that I still need to work on.

  After pouring out my heart to Jehovah, I then let him know and now I would like to let all of you know that it is my intention to persist in my efforts to rejoice Jehovah by not letting anything to get in the way. I have let him know and have asked him to help me rely more on him so that I can make this commitment without allowing my physical and emotional limitations interfere. I have also asked him to continue help me learn once more to hate what is bad and from now continue to comply with his ways and high standards…. considering everything that is at stake: his sovereignty, proving Satan a liar and helping my family serve him. Thus, I have asked him to help me really hate what is bad; mainly immorality that is. Even though I have turned around from this practice, it has proved to be a weak point in my personality which I regret falling for.

  It is then my intention to make arrangements in the XXXX congregation starting this week and attend meetings once again. XXXX is closer to me and meets in the same hall as yours, so that should help monitor my progress more closely and improve the communication between the bodies of elders. This newly found relief and joy that Jehovah has comforted me with at first prompted me to hand this letter to you in person. However, it is not my desire to make anyone uncomfortable at the XXXX congregation and open any old wounds. Thank you.

  Tsar

  Cc: Body of Elders, XXXX Congregation (new congregation where I plan to attend)
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  What do you think about this letter to the JC???

  by tsar_robles in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  hi guys and gals... you've probably read my earlier post regarding the prodigal son question and how the jc sent me packing... well, after talking with a good friend of mine i decided to move a new cong.

  where the elders have known me for many years and actually appreciate me as a person... at first i was planning on handing this letter in person so i went but their meeting time had changed so i called one of the elders in my reinstatement jc and asked him for the meeting days but he said 'it would be better if i mailed it' to which i replied 'do you just not want me around your congregation, is that it?

  he said again it would just be better to mail it again and left it at that.

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  Question about Prodigal Son parable

  by tsar_robles in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  well, after much thought put into it i decided to send a letter requesting reinstatement.

  i met with the jc and tried to reason with them on the prodigal son parable... how the father in this parable did not put his son through a waiting or probationary period, etc but rather embraced him on the spot... their answer was that the 'walk' to his father's home represents meeting attendance... in other words, the 'works' that befit repentance... any ideas???.

  i reminded them that in the last 3 years i've attempted to attend the meetings and yet the anxiety that developed brought me tangible unknown illnesses and symptoms that were unbearable and thus had to stop attending... i was told that i had to find a way to make meetings though; that i'd not die because of that.... i was asked how long did i attend meetings in my last attempt and i said about 4 months... "well, that's about 48 meetings... so say you went to 30 meetings..." i said: "no, i hardly missed any meetings and when i did i made sure the p.0.

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  well... questions1.... that was long but enjoyable points... thank you :)

  borgia... yes i do have great motivation.... I only have this one life to be with my family :)