just in case you passed it by, ciro aulicino from bethel speaks out on armageddon, muslims and the king of the north, reading apostate literature, and what the watchtower did after sept. 11th to help.
a must listen!.
http://www.randytv.com/whatfutureholds.htm
What's with the Sept 11th being 'the start of the turning point' for this system? I thought that was in 1914.
More meaningless statements of the kind that will prompt a future 'well we never actually said it WAS' etc. Just like '75.
Round and round in circles they go....
http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/solarsystem/europa_life_020208.html .
here's a cool article from space.com for some evolution discussion.
i'm no expert, but it's an interesting read anyway.
I don't see why theists have a problem with this - the bible says nothing about the topic so where's the threat? God didn't say anything about the microbes which live of chemicals coming out of deep sea vents but nobody found that a problem. I think the society has advised its followers not to be dogmatic on this since they may look foolish later on (perhaps the society are learning!)but I can't remember the reference.
I will be VERY surprised if life is not found on other planets in my life-time.
But, on the other hand, just imagine how awe-inspiring it would be to realise we are the ONLY intelligent species in this huge universe.
at 8.30 gmt today, buckingham palace announced that the queen's younger sister, princess margaret had died as the result of a fourth stroke.. englishman.. truth exists;only falsehood has to be invented.
-georges braque
My Father-in-law, a staunch anti-royalist, just said "oh well that'll save the country some money."
Callous. Yet funny at the same time.
i would like to say to all who care, i am leaving this thread for good.
the bible talks about the unbeliever and those are the true apostates.
even though there are many here who truly love the lord as i do and have shared and taught an awful lot of helpful information to help me fight the battle against false religion, i thank you and pray for each of you.
I recently learned to do quotes
Thanks
Let's try then.
Oh yeah, if you look at the topic review in the 'post reply' page you can see some of the fancy tricks in bare form!
why god cannot have existed forever.. this is something a friend of mine brought up a number of years ago.at the time i just thought that to understand how a god existed forever was just beyond our little brains.. well now after reading a lot more physics books i think its evidence a god couldn't have existed forever and therefore would had a begining (if there was a god).. basically if god had lived from infinity in the past we wouldn't have been created yet as there would always be forever untill we were created.. do you get that?.
at any point in time we could take, if time went back forever then you could never get to that point in time.
you would always have infinity infront of you.. sorry if this doesn't make much sense as it is not easy to describe.
I was once disturbed by the fact that 'God felt regret' that he had made mankind and determined to destroy them in the flood. If God knows all things from beginning to end how come he didn't anticipate the mess we would get into?
I asked an elder about this and he said that God choses to exercise His powers of foreknowledge selectively, otherwise it would counteract our standing as creatures of freewill.
i was showering this arvo and thought of something i would like the groups opinion on.. the org likes throwing the word apostate around because it effectively ellicits a predetermined response that may be advantageous for the point they are making at the time.. now by their definition or generic garden variety jw personel definition, it is a peson that believed and had the doctronal truth then has abandoned it for some other belief.
if that is our accepted working definition to their frame of reference.
then when their beliefs ( invariably only the big'ens ) change or get adjusted, how then is this not a move to apostacy.
Ah well, it's only apostacy if you turn against CURRENT 'truth'.
And then again - it's not the disagreements over doctrine but the fact that you dared to question them at all which really pisses 'em off. You see, as long as you 'wait on Jehovah' and keep your gob shut the rest is irrelevent.
i would like to say to all who care, i am leaving this thread for good.
the bible talks about the unbeliever and those are the true apostates.
even though there are many here who truly love the lord as i do and have shared and taught an awful lot of helpful information to help me fight the battle against false religion, i thank you and pray for each of you.
er...how do you do quotes?
Dean, slow to learn class.
VioletAnai, I disagree with you, the JWs are no more God's religion than a thousand other denominations. But you are entitled to your opinion and I hope you don't get attacked for having the gumption to state it.
here's a handy tool to use when people suddenly remove web sites, or if you want to view the archives of certain sites on the web.... http://www.archive.org/.
just type in the complete url and you'll get a list of links for each year if copies have been archived in the library.
Hey that's brilliant!
Because the WBTS removed its name from the UN list of NGO's it became difficult to prove affiliation to a R&F JW but now you can browse the old site and the WBTS is listed as bold as day.
i have never missed a memorial in 20 years of being a jw, but this year will be the first one i miss because i refuse to set foot in any kingdom hall.
i was wondering how many that post here will attend the memorial and if so why?.
do you feel pressured into going by family or friends?.
No. I did go for a few years after I left just to keep my wife happy.
But then I realised I was giving her false hope and it would be kinder not to go. I felt really weird sitting at home knowing it was going on without me. My wife was shocked to say the least, I think until then, in spite of everything I'd said, she just thought I was going through a bad patch. I think missing the memorial is the final way of closing the door on your JW past, both for yourself and others.
good morning!.
hi was just wondering who are still active in the organization and do you have doubts?
those of you who have left, briefly what made you leave, do you have any regrets, and was it hard making new friends?.
Not DA or DF. Just stopped going.
The reason? Stopped believing in God. No point in having a religion if you don't believe in the Big Cheese!
Until then I was OK with the JWs. Doctrinal issues are irrelevant to me – any position you like can be supported from the scriptures. The bible is no different from the quatrains of Nostradamus.
I don’t like the barbaric custom of shunning, nor beliefs which cause actual bodily harm, like not having blood transfusions. Allowing your child to die because of your belief in the JW religion is the same as a Baal worshipper allowing his child to be sacrificed due to their beliefs, IMHO.
The one thing that astonishes me is how they swallow the ‘end of the world’ crap when we are so obviously better off than our ancestors. I mean, WHY has our life expectancy increased in the last 100 years if it weren’t for the fact that the things which killed us have less effect now? Ask any seismologist if earthquakes have increased since 1914 and they will say there is absolutely NO evidence to support this, rather the reverse. But of course JWs would rather believe that the old farts in Brooklyn know more about these things than the experts.
