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  Abuse in the name of religion

  by dmouse in

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  2. friends

  after reading marylin's post about 'sparing the rod' i thought you might be interested in this site: .

  http://relfrauds.www4.50megs.com/christianity/christianpedofile.html.

  it seems like a lot of different forms of abuse is justified through religion.

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  dmouse

  After reading Marylin's post about 'sparing the rod' I thought you might be interested in this site:

  http://relfrauds.www4.50megs.com/christianity/christianpedofile.html

  It seems like a lot of different forms of abuse is justified through religion.

  Quote from the site:

  1989: Bible fanatic Jehovah's Witness Robin Baker who attended church three times a week beat up a mother of three who disagreed with his beliefs. Baker knocked her down, dragged her by the hair and punched and kicked her. The year previously Baker had assaulted a disabled woman. He was sentenced to a year's imprisonment.

  OOPS!

  I posted this in a hurry because I could hear my wife coming home - didn't realise it was a David Icke site (= complete tosser) and was meant to defend Satanism versus Christianity.

  Sorry!

  Edited by - dmouse on 10 July 2002 11:58:13
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  UK Service Report March 2002

  by dmouse in

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  these figures are unusual in that normally in march they have a slight increase, this year they have had a slight decrease.. compare the figures from the past few years i've set up on this excel chart:.

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  dmouse

  You're right RM, baptisms reached their peak in 1989 with nearly 7000 that year!

  Since then it has been a steady decline year after year.

  I remember at assemblies back then we were asked NOT to applaud after each baptism otherwise we would never get through them all. At the assembly last year the baptisms were so few it was embarrassing, and we were asked to applaud each immersion.

  Tee Hee.

  Did anyone ever slip on the stairs on the way into the pool? God was that embarrassing! I also remember a total silence during the baptisms, out of respect. The last time I went a brother had to come out half way through and admonish the brothers for talking and eating during the whole thing! So, standards do fall in the JWs as well!
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  UK Service Report March 2002

  by dmouse in

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  these figures are unusual in that normally in march they have a slight increase, this year they have had a slight decrease.. compare the figures from the past few years i've set up on this excel chart:.

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  dmouse

  I tried putting the baptisms for the UK in a graph but they changed so wildly with each month it was difficult to see any trend.

  However, if you take the total baptisms for each year for the last three years the decline in the UK is obvious:

  1999 - 2765

  2000 - 2590

  2001 - 2418

  And the first part of 2002 isn't looking too healthy either, well down on the first part of last year.
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  Witnesses Not Budging on 1914

  by stevieb1 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  just attended the sunday of the zealous kingdom proclaimers district convention in manchester, england and during the final talk we had an update on the world situation as it relates to jehovah's witnesses.

  the speaker was peter ellis, a member of the london bethel branch committee.. he stated that many had been waiting for armageddon for some years and some have become disappointed that it hasn't yet arrived, and that newer jw's did not seem to have the same degree of faith as some of the old-timers in the faith, hence this was of serious concern.

  then he said something along the lines of 1914 being set in stone and that the organization was not going to get any new light on this key doctrine, hence we can be sure that armageddon is very near.. interesting don't you think?

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  dmouse

  Movello, in 1995, came a dramatic change (new light). The term generation was re-interpreted to mean all the wicked people living since 1914, even those born recently, rather than those born on or before 1914.

  *** Watchtower 1995 11/1 A Time to Keep Awake *** We do not need to know the exact timing of events. Rather, our focus must be on being watchful, cultivating strong faith, and keeping busy in Jehovahs servicenot on calculating a date.

  Eager to see the end of this evil system, Jehovahs people have at times speculated about the time when the great tribulation would break out, even tying this to calculations of what is the lifetime of a generation since 1914. However, we bring a heart of wisdom in, not by speculating about how many years or days make up a generation, but by thinking about how we count our days in bringing joyful praise to Jehovah. (Psalm 90:12) Rather than provide a rule for measuring time, the term generation as used by Jesus refers principally to contemporary people of a certain historical period, with their identifying characteristics.

  See also: Watchtowers 1997 - May 1 st p29; June 1 st p28; Sept 1 st p19.

  Suddenly Jehovahs Witnesses, who had been convinced that the end was near because the generation born in 1914 were so old, were faced with the prospect of a generation which could last indefinitely. Obviously, the removal of this time limit (lifespan of humans since 1914) meant that all the people born in 1914 could now pass away. It logically follows that the end might be further away than they first thought. This makes the comment in paragraph 15 of the 1995 Watchtower all the more bizarre, it is in fact dishonest:

  *** Watchtower 1995 11/1 19 A Time to Keep Awake *** 15 Does our more precise viewpoint on this generation mean that Armageddon is further away than we had thought? Not at all!
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  New rules from WTS to restrict use of internet?

  by Nowfree in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i know of a presiding overseer who has recently got rid of the modem and internet connections on his pc.

  the reason given was that he didnt use it enough to make the monthly expense worthwhile.. but i wonder?.

  have there been any local needs items or talks recently about whether it is wise to use the internet?.

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  dmouse

  They can't ban Internet use. It is now an essential part of owning a computer, and computers are now an essential part of modern life.

  All they can do is demonize it and hope that they can keep the hard core of followers from finding out the truth.

  The first thing that JWs ask me when I tell them something that they don't like is 'where did you learn that, from the Internet?' As soon as I confirm that it was off the net their eyes glaze over and further communication becomes impossible.

  The word 'Internet' triggers a Pavlovian response among JWs to stop listening. This just shows how powerfully the WBTS controls the minds of its followers.

  The best thing if you find information off the net is to try and find non-Internet sources or make up a question as if it stems from your own doubts.

  NEVER mention the Internet to a JW. Or, if you like, mention it for fun and see what happens; I guarantee that you will get the same programmed reaction every time.
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  UK Service Report March 2002

  by dmouse in

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  these figures are unusual in that normally in march they have a slight increase, this year they have had a slight decrease.. compare the figures from the past few years i've set up on this excel chart:.

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  dmouse

  Nice one ex.

  I never thought about baptisms. I'll have a look at them tomorrow for the UK and we can compare notes.
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  Witnesses Not Budging on 1914

  by stevieb1 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  just attended the sunday of the zealous kingdom proclaimers district convention in manchester, england and during the final talk we had an update on the world situation as it relates to jehovah's witnesses.

  the speaker was peter ellis, a member of the london bethel branch committee.. he stated that many had been waiting for armageddon for some years and some have become disappointed that it hasn't yet arrived, and that newer jw's did not seem to have the same degree of faith as some of the old-timers in the faith, hence this was of serious concern.

  then he said something along the lines of 1914 being set in stone and that the organization was not going to get any new light on this key doctrine, hence we can be sure that armageddon is very near.. interesting don't you think?

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  dmouse

  That settles it then, 1914 is set to be dropped as soon as the old guard pass on.
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  UK Service Report March 2002

  by dmouse in

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  these figures are unusual in that normally in march they have a slight increase, this year they have had a slight decrease.. compare the figures from the past few years i've set up on this excel chart:.

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  dmouse

  I've taken the liberty of including the scan for April, thanks ignored one. The new figures are incorporated in the graph.

  The decline continues
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  UK Service Report March 2002

  by dmouse in

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  2. friends

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  these figures are unusual in that normally in march they have a slight increase, this year they have had a slight decrease.. compare the figures from the past few years i've set up on this excel chart:.

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  dmouse

  These figures are unusual in that normally in March they have a slight increase, this year they have had a slight decrease.

  Compare the figures from the past few years I've set up on this Excel chart:
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  Panorama TV programme UK

  by ns7 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  this is on sunday 14 july 2001 (sorry)2002 uk bbc1 .

  bbc 1 (01) 22:15 - 22:55 .

  panorama

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  dmouse

  Great idea Toddy, I'll do my damndest to be there....if only to scupper the few JW apologists that might be brave enough to raise their heads above the parapet.