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  Are Jehovah's Witnesses ever "good enough", must they remain anxious and fragile for fear they will not be saved by their works?

  by Trailer Park Pioneer in

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  2. beliefs

  as a jehovah's witness you know you can never do enough without hearing stories of another witness doing twice what your doing and living off half the money your living on because they give all their time and money to the watchtower.

  this is totally bunk, reading romans 7:21-24 paul knew his condition was hopeless without the free gift from god.

  paul put all his emphasis on jesus christ, not some self-appointed apostles whose proof offered up is over 150 years of failed prophecy!

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  The last circuit convention had a talk that was one of the things that helped me wake up. The speaker asked "Are you a regular publisher? If not, why not? If you are a regular publisher, can you auxiliary pioneer? If not, why not? If you are an auxiliary pioneer, can you regular pioneer? If not, why not? If you are a regular pioneer, can you special pioneer? If not, why not?"

  All I could think was, what do they say to the special pioneers to make them feel guilty? I could see that guilt was the end goal, not the preaching work, which was ineffective and pointless, more about counting time than any thing else. 

  Guilt is useful to keep people enslaved to the organization, if you are busy either counting time or feeling guilty because you are not counting time, then you aren't thinking about how futile it all is. 

  
  
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  I questioned some Mormons today

  by joe134cd in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  as a result of my fading from the jw religion, i have taken an interest in the mormon religion.

  personally i think mormonisim is a bigger con than the jw religion.

  with all knowledge i've been acquiring, i was interested to find out what the followers of the mormon religion knew about the churches history.

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  The Mormons are facing the same problems as the JWs, in that the internet makes it difficult to hide their history. The JWs have reacted by becoming more controlling and crazy while the Mormons are moving towards more honesty. The church recently acknowledged that Joseph Smith had multiple wives, something it had denied previously. It's still a high control religion, and some of their beliefs seem wackier than anything Charlie Russell cooked up,  but it's not as destructive to family relationships as the JWs, imo, and they aren't against education. If I had to pick one, I guess I'd go Mormon. 
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  No longer an MS! Hooray...finally!

  by stuckinarut2 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  well, it's finally happened!.

  im no longer an ms.. as many would know from our chats via this forum, i've seen it coming for a while....and while the way it was done stinks, i'm really happy to finally be free!.

  (would love to share more details...i will do in time...or perhaps a pm would be best).

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  LisaRose

  Congratulations on your demotion! 
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  Freedom Post # 1 - First Timer

  by 7Starz in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  synchronicity - the simultaneous occurrence of events that appear significantly related but have no discernible causal connection.

  today is the first day of the rest of my life.

  freedom.

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  LisaRose

  Very well put, welcome. 
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  "You are still married, and still happy ?"

  by Phizzy in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i met an aging, well, late sixties, pioneer sister a few days back, from a congregation four removes away, and a different circuit to my old congo.

  i have known her since i was a kid.. i wasn't quite sure at first if she knew our "status" as we exchanged pleasantries, but it soon became clear she knew exactly our situation, that we walked away a few years ago.. she asked me about my views on life now, and listened respectfully, and said she appreciated my view, but a couple of questions that she threw at me, as in the thread title, showed that she was surprised that mrs phizzy and i had not gone off the rails after we left.. the mind control goes so very deep does it not ?

  she was surprised that our marriage hadn't failed, and that we were now happy.. i wonder if she will ever make the connection that the jw org has lied to her about those of us who leave ?.

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  Many people leave the religion to get out of an intolerable marriage and the number cause for being disfellowshipped is sexual immorality, so I think most JWs cannot fathom that  someone would leave simply because they no longer believed in it. 
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  Experience in a talk

  by Da.Furious in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  last week we had an elder giving a talk, cant remember the title.. the thing that was of interest is the experience he gave:.

  "a brother who was working in a hospital had to leave his job which was paying him good money because the nurses wanted to sleep with him and they kept putting notes for him on his desk!".

  this is not the first time i hear similar experience.

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  "A brother who was working in a hospital had to leave his job which was paying him good money because the nurses wanted to sleep with him and they kept putting notes for him on his desk!"

  So it was impossible for this guy to keep it in his pants because of a note?  sounds more like they don't want people to have anything other than menial jobs. 
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  If you're bothered by god murdering innocent children, you must have a "critical heart"

  by OneEyedJoe in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  this week's book study contains this gem:.

  the way in which the bible is written serves to test what is in our heart.

  hebrews 4:12 says: the word [or, message] of god is alive and exerts power and is sharper than any two-edged sword and pierces even to the dividing of soul and spirit .

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  Hmmm...I'm bothered by genocide, the murder of infants and other atrocities, but I'm not bothered by the acts of God.

  What proof do you have that the atrocities in the bible were done by God, or that the canaanites were evil? The self serving accounts written by the Israelites?  Of course they claimed the canaanites were evil, all warring nations demonize the enemy to make it easier to brutally kill them. They were no better or worse that any other people of their time.  Religion was just a convenient excuse that is still being used to justify unspeakable acts. It's evil now, it was evil then. 

  Killing inocent people is wrong no matter if it is done in the name of Jehovah or Vishnu.  If it was really a judgement from God,  he wouldn't need a human intermediary, he could simply cause them to die, without the cruelty involved in warfare. Either God was not involved, or he was OK with women being raped and babies being slaughtered because they committed the unforgivable sin of not being born a Jew. 

  It makes me sick to think there are people like you who are OK with atrocities as long as it is done in the name of your personal diety. 
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  Should I even bother telling someone what I think of their parenting . . . .any advice?

  by skeeter1 in

  1. social
  2. family

  the situation: a neighbor's child and mine have played together for 8 years.

  her mother is a single parent, and a probable narcissist.

  loves designer clothes, bentleys, money, will not date a regular joe or even a rich man who doesn't drive the right car, wear the right clothes, etc.

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  LisaRose

  Don't go there, it will just make her mad and then it will be super awkward whenever you see her.

  
  

  
  

  
  
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  Hi! Long time lurker finally signing up!

  by LosingMyReligion in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  ok, so the time has finally come to register an account on this site.

  not that i think i have much to contribute to the discussions here, but more out of a desire to show that yet another person has learned ttatt.

  i am a fader, not discussing ttatt with anyone as i know the inevitable outcome it would have.

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  LisaRose

  Welcome, glad you found us. 

  I find it amusing that believing JWs would have to come here to get the KM. It shows that the organization really doesn't care about those struggling and missing a few meetings for whatever reason. I remember trying to get one  when I was missing meetings, it was impossible, either they didn't have any or they said I couldn't get one unless I was publishing. How was I supposed to go out without knowing what I was supposed to be placing? It was a catch 22. Total lack of love or consideration for the marginal witnesses. 
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  Rasputin and Serums and Herbs--Oh My!

  by rebel8 in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  i have written a blog post about the dubs and their scorn of modern medicine and rasputin, while simultaneously touting unproven, dangerous cures.. i wonder what it is about a fake remedy that makes jws believe in it or scorn it?.

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  I think there is a common thread to the two things. The average JW thinks they know something that others don't, that they know more than the "experts", those more well educated than they are.  It's a conceit, one encouraged by the Watchtower,  it flatters their egos to think they are better than others, people they resent for having an education. The Watchtower slams traditional religions, implying that the clergy knowingly deceive people, but they have the "magic cure" in their belief system. 

  It's the same with those who who don't believe in traditional medicine. It's a common misconception by many, not just JWs, that the drug companies and doctors conspire somehow to deprive people of better cures, that they are invested in people being sick. Of course this is propagated by those with a "miracle cure" of some sort. It's nonsense,  but works because it plays into people paranoia and resentment of people with a better education. 

  That is not to say that all alternative medicine is bunk. I have used meditation, acupuncture and massage therapy, but those are fairly mainstream, with some science to indicate they are effective. You just have to be careful, there is a lot of questionable therapies and the internet is full of misinformation. Most of these cures are being pushed by someone who has a financial stake in it, so that is a red flag.