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  How to wake up and reverse the trance???

  by J-DUBBED in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  how do you wake up someone taken from us by these screwed up people?.

  our son was hooked by a jw at the age of 25. within 3 months they were married and we never even new about it.

  he is now 29 and has nothing to do with his family(except his sister the odd time, when he needs something) of any freinds.. we are lost and have been for four years.. .

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  Well, I think DOC has a point, although he might have stated it more tactfully. If you want to have a chance of enlightening your son you will not accomplish it by alienating his wife, that will just cause to then to refuse to talk to you. You also will not win by attacking his chosen religion. Part of the cult mind control is a warning that Satan will use their non JW family to test them. When that inevitably happens, it just confirms to them that the JWs are right.

  The only chance you have is to feign interest, then raise questions that they cannot easily answer, or that causes them to think. The religion uses third grade logic and questionable reasoning, it doesn't hold up under scrutiny. You must educate yourself about how mind control works. You could say a friend told you the Watchtower has predicted the end several times, for example. He has probably not been told this. Of course, they have an answer for everything, but you might be able to plant a seed of doubt.

  
  
  
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  "in" Family driving me crazy on social media

  by freemindfade in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  does any other fader who maintains a minimal connection to preserve family ties have this issue:.

  i post something on ig, facebook whatever.

  and from my super zealous family i get preachy posts.

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  LisaRose

  You can control who sees individual  posts. I have one list that includes everyone and one that is everyone but JW relatives. if it's anything they might object to, like holidays, then I exclude them.
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  Well folks it looks like September 23, 2017 will be the new date of Armageddon, the Rapture or whatever.

  by donny in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  well folks you had better get your act together because there is only about 2.5 years before you are held responsible for your way of life.

  according to "rapture watch", things are really going to start happening in 2017.. i am already asking the lord for leniency.

  http://www.rapturewatch.net/timelines.htm .

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  LisaRose

  There is always money to be made fear mongering. No matter how absurd the speculation, there are always a few who get stuck at "what if they are right?".

  Like me for, example. 

  
  
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  My mother says I should just DA already.

  by Julia Orwell in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  cut the cord.

  sever all ties.

  start new.. and she's right.

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  LisaRose

  I don't know if it would help you to DA, but I doubt it will hurt you, so why not do it? I never did, as I felt I didn't have to play by their silly rules, but my situation was different, I had moved out of state and wouldn't see any JWs I knew anyway. 

  I think you should get counseling,. It doesn't have to be someone who does cult counseling, any competent therapist should be able to help you. Obviously slogging through this on your own isn't working, time to get some help to move forward in your life. 

  
  
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  Whom can we trust? Where can we turn to for protection?

  by abiather in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  though we can easily dismiss many of jws teachings on many counts, the sad part is that we do not have any alternative.

  1) 1) though some of the things bible said may have gone wrong (most of which would not even touch our day-to-day lives), the worst thing it foretold (which very much affects our day-today-lives) has come true: people will faint from terror, apprehensive of what is coming on the world.

  (luke 21:26).

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  LisaRose

  Science is based on evidence, it is only dogmatic in that if an idea is proved to be incorrect it is discarded, where as religious belief is based on the writings of men thousands of years ago, who had no understanding of science and the natural world. If something in the bible is proven to be  incorrect scientifically, the deluded believer will discount science because they cannot accept that the bible isn't true, they are biased, as you are biased. You are attempting to make the facts fit your belief, so you ignore many important things and focus on a few minor points you mistakenly believe proves you right. 

  The Christian Church once taught that the sun revolved around the earth, because it seemed obvious to them, Copernicus was considered a heretic for saying otherwise, but he was right. With all the scientific advances in the last hundred years it amazes me that anyone would still believe lathe bible account of genesis. DNA research alone proves man has been around far longer than the bible says, yet you still stubbornly refuse to accept reality, preferring to discount things that have been proven over and over. 

  Do you have advanced training in any relevant science? If not, why should anyone believe your theories over men who have years of training and experience? 
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  San Luis Obispo

  by wifibandit in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  http://www.sanluisobispo.com/2015/01/22/3455063_steven-lindhorst-paso-robles-arrest.html?rh=1.

  anyone know this guy?

  reddit user tricky_business says the guy is an active witness.. .

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  I have family in the area, but I couldn't ask them about it, they would wonder how I heard about it and our relationship is strained anyway due to me being out. 

  
  
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  I'm studying with Jehovah's Witnesses!!

  by Kulotti79 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  hello all... i currently studying the bible teach book and i'm just curious what information does the study conductor record about the student and is it passed on??

  and they keep on saying "the truth" which is starting to get on my nerves.

  lol.

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  LisaRose

  It's not the truth. Please investigate this religion before you go any further, it's not at all what it claims to be. I don't know how much record keeping they do, but I believe they do keep track of bible studies. 

  Why you should NOT be a JW

  They hide child sex abuse

  You can be disfellowshipped for just about anything three elders agree upon, your  JW friends and family will be forbidden to talk to you, there is no recourse, you will not be allowed to give your version of events. You can be disfellowshipped for celebrating Christmas, voting, serving in the armed forces, attending another church, heavy petting, getting a blood transfusion, celebrating your birthday or saying you do not agree with anything the Governing Body teaches. 

  They flip flop on doctrine constantly, with little justification. 

  They lie about their past and their history of failed date predictions.

  Their predictions about dates and end times is based on the fall of Jerusalem, the date they use has no basis in fact,  the vast majority of bible scholars agree on a different date.

  They engage in deceptive quotes, picking parts of sentences to bolster their point of view, obscuring the original meaning.

  I could go on, but you get the point. Run!
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  I knew a man who disfellowshipped his son.

  by andrekish in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i knew a man who wouldn't talk to his own son.

  i am neither the man nor the son.

  the son is a very disillusioned friend.. i have to be careful with how this is said in order not to blame any innocent group by mistake.

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  LisaRose

  Sadly, this kind of things happen in a religion like this. While there are many good people in the religion, they have their fair share of hypocrites. They don't have a paid clergy, so elders are usually not very well prepared to do any kind of counseling, and sometimes use their position to prey on innocent children, as this creep did. 

  It's a cult. The Organization has been paying off victims for years while berating the Catholic church over its child abuse issues. Fortunately there have been several lawsuits lately where victims would not settle and sign non disclosure agreements, so the cat is out of the bag. 

  Your friend would do well to stay away from anything to sso with his father or the religion. 
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  Trashed WT's found in Dr.s' waiting room Friday. Do you trash literature you find?

  by Wasanelder Once in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  took the magazines in the waiting room and dumped them in the trash.

  was a great feeling.

  to think many witnoids wont dare throw out the surplus magazines they have in stacks around the house is amazing.

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  rama singh WHAT HE REALLY SAID, so you men can stop lying

  by atheist_R_stupid in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  "there have been repeated scientific challenges to the.

  theory of evolution in the past, and the nonbelievers of evo-.

  lution cite them as support for their case.

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  LisaRose

  Thank you LisaRose for such a well thought out post.
  You seem to have an intuitive  grasp for how to talk to people so that they can "hear" you.
  I too, have thought about leaving this forum because of the abrupt,churlish sound of some posts but I am already "leaving" one place (the Org) and dont want to just keep leaving things. I want to start adding things instead. So I stay and just find myself wincing inside at certain posts.
  I dont see that atheism and patience need to be opposites of one another and thank you for demonstrating that both sides can be presented.
  You have a new fan and I eagerly look forward to reading your future posts now that I have seen that you are a person of insight.
  Thank you so much again for the kindness in your words. 

  
  

  Wow, thanks for your kind comments. Don't let the atheists/believer debates keep you away from JWN. As heated as they seem sometimes, it's really mostly good  people who just enjoy a good debate, and have little patience for fools. They could be a bit more tactful, but then some of the believers can be obnoxious too. I have learned a lot from those debates, so I do think it serves a purpose.  Take it with a grain of salt, or stay away from those threads if it bothers you, but don't leave, I think JWN is stronger if we have a variety of viewpoints. We all have a story to tell.