Posts by LisaRose

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Wives who complain about their husbands work schedule but refuse to get a job

by hoser in

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friends

i listen to one of these all time in our hall.

she brings it up constantly about how they would do this or that but he has to work that saturday.

i think she should get a job and then he could find a lower paying 9 to 5 job..

LisaRose

I hate to see generalizations like this. Are there women who complain that their husband works too much but won't get a job? Of course, but that doesn't mean all women are that way, or even most. Maybe the guy treats her bad and she is lonely and depressed or maybe he is just a doormat. You never really know what is going on in other people's marriages, so why be judgemental?

I've been in both situations, I was the steady paycheck in my first marriage, as my ex couldn't keep a job, I lost count but I know it was well over 25 jobs in 28 years. He never lifted a finger around the house either, even when he wasn't working, and was a total baby whiner. I didn't mind working, but some appreciation would have been nice. I finally developed a backbone and left. I realise now I had no one to blame but myself for that situation, people cannot take advantage of you unless you let them, so if the husband of the OP really hated the situation that much he could leave.

I am now in the reverse situation, due to health issues, full time work is not possible for me anymore. I have a small business and do volunteer work when I am able. My husband works long hours, but I have never complained about it. I show my appreciation by making sure he has a nice home cooked meal when he gets home, even on days when I am in a lot of pain. After ten years as a single dad my husband really appreciates that and never forgets to thank me.

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Songs celebrating leaving the faith? Not being a puppet, mind controlled, living life, etc etc

by aley63 in

i am looking for some songs that are in ref to celebrating leaving, seeing the light, realizing what you were told wasnt right, being happy w your life, etc etc.

all those emotions about being controlled and repressed, being told what you can feel or think or how to live, blindly following the "brotherhood ".

LisaRose

Fight Song.

Like a small boat

On the ocean
Sending big waves
Into motion
Like how a single word
Can make a heart open
I might only have one match
But I can make an explosion

And all those things I didn't say
Wrecking balls inside my brain
I will scream them loud tonight
Can you hear my voice this time

This is my fight song
Take back my life song
Prove I'm alright song
My power's turned on

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Observations About Today's WT Indoctrination

by OneFingerSalute in

this mornings wt was pretty amazing in it's totally asinine application of the term "relationship".. it started right off the bat asserting that jehovah is only interested in a relationship with "you" after "you" put forth the effort to get close to him.

par 14 said to be specific in prayer so you could see "subtle" answers.

par 15 then directly contradicted par.

LisaRose

I think that prayer does work for some people for a few reasons.

1) Prayer is a way to stop worrying, because you feel you have put it in God's hands. Someone once said that it's not what happens to you that determines your happiness, but how you feel about what happens to you.

2) Prayer is a form of meditation which causes your brain to release serotonin, a feel good hormone produced by the body. If you believe in God and get that feeling by prayer, it naturally validates your belief.

3) Prayer is a way to calm the mind, which then allows the subconscious to come up with a solution to the problems that bother you.

I believe some people are just naturally more prone to get in a meditative state by prayer and get those warm and fuzzy feelings, while others are more naturally sceptical and logical and not get that effect from prayer and so more likely to be non believers. Of course it's not absolute, but I imagine it is a range from strong believer to strong non believer, while also being impacted by upbringing, religion and other factors.

That is why religion is so universal, it does work in a very concrete way for some people, and those people are not going to give up what is for them a very positive thing. I never got much of that from prayer, so it always seemed odd to me when people said that Jehovah helped them, or answered their prayers. I felt there must be something wrong with me, because he certainly never did anything for me, lol.

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My field service group leader wants to meet me

by Powermetal4ever in

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friends

he kind of invited me to a barbecue or something, and asked if my parents wanted to come along as well.

it felt really awkard, i mean i am 20++.

i was sceptic, so he told me he would send me a sms about an other fitting day instead.i probably didnt look too happy about that either, so he told me that maybe he could invite some other in the group.

LisaRose

Practice a few stock phrases that you can use as appropriate.

Oh wow, I wish I could, but thanks for the invite anyway....(don't elaborate). Smile!

It's just not a good time for me right now, but thanks for the invite. Produce a (very slightly) apologetic smile.

I wish I could, but I have another commitment (must see TV) but I will get back with about a better time, apologetic smile.

The main thing to remember is you owe these people nothing,. They don't give a rat's a$$ about you, they are just being guilted into going after the missing, so don't feel guilty yourself and you will break the vicious cycle in play here. The minute they break you down into an explanation they own you, because then they can judge if your explanation is worthy. Don't give them that power.

I am an introvert, it took me thirty years to learn to do this, until then people freely took advantage of me, so learn from my mistake, it will be very useful later in life.

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Compensation after 30 years

by umbertoecho in

i have waited for so long to see some sort of justice given to my daughters.

it is far too late for me.

i have the same story as so many do on this site, so i won't bore you.

LisaRose

Of course money doesn't take away the hurt, but sometimes that is the only recourse we have to get some level of justice for a great wrong. There is no shame in standing up for yourself or your children and fighting for that.

I have seen some here defend Candace Conti by saying she was more interested in getting the Watchtower to change its shameful practices than getting a large settlement, and I believe it to be the case as well, but that doesn't mean it's wrong to seek or get just compensation. It's all about the money with this organization, they will only change their ways when it becomes unprofitable not to do so.

Good for you for fighting for yourself and your daughters.

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when you were a JW what did you do with your fortune cookie?? LOL

by James Mixon in

someone who is not familiar with jw none sense would think, are you.

serious, a fortune cookie.

is there a scripture that say you will be destroyed when.

LisaRose

I added the words "in bed" to any fortune I received. It makes them a lot funnier.

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Help needed

by moley in

as many of you on here will know, my sister and myself (along with others we know) were abused by a ms. .

my first memory as a child was of abuse and i've had and still am suffering from the affects due to mental health problems.

the abuser is now dead, but he was jailed for abuse of his own son previously so that nest of vipers will have known he was an abuser.

LisaRose

I am so sorry this happened to you. I hate this stupid religion and I hope you sue them for every penny they have.

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How did you feel after..

by zeb in

jw
friends

..you had been away from the wt for a time.

i saw a quote tonight and it leapt off the page for me.. "now i know what it feels like to be part of a circle of friends, part of a group.

its a very different feeling than i have had before and it feels wonderful and right'.. spoken by a lady after being released of her heart "wall" that she had established for protection.. + comments please if you like.

LisaRose

I had stuckvwith this religion over many years, through many personal challenges, without every getting anything back in support, fellowship, approval or just simple human kindness. It was an enormous sense of relief to know I didn't have to do that any more, that I could live my life by my own moral compass, not that of the Watchtower.

Freedom

Joy

Relief

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Elders are Complicit with WT Society in Child Abuse Scandals- Gonzalo Campos Case

by flipper in

of course, most of us realize this.

however sometimes even on this board sometimes threads have stated that the jw elders have been occasionally painted as the " fall guys " who take the rap for the wt society leaders - which of course is true - to a degree.

however- that being said , many times elders have failed to protect - or even have failed to advocate for child abuse victims when it has been within their power to do so.

LisaRose

Elders do not get a pass on this. They do have some lattitude in judicial committee meeting, and as people have said, you can be disfellowshipped for anything three elders agree on, so why can't they agree when innocent children are in danger?

There is a famous quote that is quite pertinent here:

The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.’

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Unconvincing Evidence in September Watchtower

by bemused in

i was looking at the september 2015 issue of the watchtower, which, unlike the simplified and study editions, appears to be aimed at non-jws.

a couple of articles caught my eye that quote biblical sources which are somewhat less than convincing to a non-believer.. firstly 'what do jehovah's witnesses believe?

' says that the core belief is that 'all scripture is inspired of god and beneficial'.

LisaRose

Some may wonder if the story of the whole earth being covered with water is a myth or at least an exaggeration. Not at all! Indeed, to some extent the earth is still flooded. Seawater covers about 71 percent of the earth’s surface. So in reality the floodwaters are still here.

So, the ocean is a flood?? The fact that most of the earth is covered in seawater is not the same as being flooded. Flooding is when ground not usually covered in water becomes covered in water, so the ocean doesn't really qualify.

And if the glaciers and polar ice caps were to melt, the sea level would rise to cover cities like New York and Tokyo.

Hmmm. Those cities are at fairly low elevations, so what about Mount Everest? K2? What amount of water would be needed to cover that? And where did that water then go? The only way that could have happened is if massive mountains rose up after the flood, something not mentioned in the bible and not supported by science.