Posts by Asheron

When Im having a bad day I ask my wife (shes a nurse) to tell me about her day and her patients. By the end of her stories my day looks pretty dam good!!!

Stay strong!

Asheron

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Describe an Spacecraft

by Woodsman in

how would you describe spacecraft, extraterrestrial beings and futuristic weapons and technology if you could only use a non technical language like that of the ancient jews?

Asheron

Woodsman,

I dont agree with a thing you have to say on this subject but dam if I didnt love this line of yours.

This freedom of thought and expression is way too cool.

Good for you my man. Keep using that freedom.

Asheron

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--- A Question for ALL Atheistic ex-Dubs----

by gordon d in

jw
friends

which child is wiser?

while starting a hunt for easter eggs one child runs to a big tree and finds nothing then that childs brother says, go look under that rock i promise youll find one there!

the child throws down their basket and says, i give up!

Asheron

Regarding your "Prove Love Exists" debate Idea

Research

In 2000, Andreas Bartels and Semir Zeki of University College, London, located the areas of the brain activated by romantic love. They took students who said they were madly in love, put them into a brain scanner, and looked at their patterns of brain activity.

The results were surprising. For a start, a relatively small area of the human brain is active in love, compared with that involved in, say, ordinary friendship. “It is fascinating to reflect”, the pair conclude, “that the face that launched a thousand ships should have done so through such a limited expanse of cortex.” The second surprise was that the brain areas active in love are different from the areas activated in other emotional states, such as fear and anger. Parts of the brain that are love-bitten include the one responsible for gut feelings, and the ones which generate the euphoria induced by drugs such as cocaine. So the brains of people deeply in love do not look like those of people experiencing strong emotions, but instead like those of people snorting coke. Love, in other words, uses the neural mechanisms that are activated during the process of addiction. “We are literally addicted to love,” Dr Young observes.

Like the man said "Might as well face it your addicted to Love"

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--- A Question for ALL Atheistic ex-Dubs----

by gordon d in

jw
friends

which child is wiser?

while starting a hunt for easter eggs one child runs to a big tree and finds nothing then that childs brother says, go look under that rock i promise youll find one there!

the child throws down their basket and says, i give up!

Asheron

Hey G'man

One more point. We keep bringing up the matter of tangible proof, emperical data, etc.... We've already established that this cannot be the appropriate measuring stick for the proof of God to openminded people.

We did???? Are you are admiting that you have no proof of the existance of God? If not tangible proof or evidence, what measuring stick should we use to test the God theory to an open minded person??

And dont go tryin to start up another debate about another subject. We aint done wit dis one, I rekon!

Asheron

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--- A Question for ALL Atheistic ex-Dubs----

by gordon d in

jw
friends

which child is wiser?

while starting a hunt for easter eggs one child runs to a big tree and finds nothing then that childs brother says, go look under that rock i promise youll find one there!

the child throws down their basket and says, i give up!

Asheron

Quoting (not accurately) from Phoebe to Ross on the show Friends during a debate about evolution. (I knew that show had all the answers!!)

"Wasn't there a time when the world's greatest minds thought that the atom was the smallest thing in the universe.... until they opened one up and all this stuff came flying out? Are you telling me that you are SO arrogant that you don't even consider the remotest possibilty, that there might be some teeny-tiny chance that scientist are wrong about this too? Is THAT what you're telling me? If so, I think maybe it's time you put "Ross" under the microscope!"

Be careful with this one. Using your example shouldnt we ask God Believers (Theists) this question: "Are you so arrogant that you dont even consider the remotest possibility that there is no God?"

So G man I think we have come to the real questions and the real differance between our mind set.

"Where do we cross over into belief when considering the currently unproveable or unknowable?"

I choose to eliminate the entire concept of "belief" from my thinking. I choose to accept facts based on currently provable (Via Scientific principles) realities while leaving the door open for future revelations and proofs. Thats the beauty of Science (not Scientists), it is self correcting. It never says I HAVE FOUND THE ULTIMATE TRUTH. Instead it says, Here is what we know now. It asks via peer review and other processes to be tested and checked, over and over. That is why we NOW know that the Atom is made of smaller particles. Someone kept checking the results looking for more data. Theism does not do this. It starts with an asumption and then seeks out facts that can prove the original belief. If Theism comes up against facts that disagree with the "God" question it will ussually deny them or atribute it to "Gods Mystery". I can give many examples of this but my favorite is the "God put Dino bones in the ground to test us". Where do you draw the line on belief. Do you believe everything? If not what constitutes proof? That is where the debate can occur.

I dont "believe"that I am a human living on planet Earth, I AM a human living on a planet Earth. Belief has no effect on this reality. It either is true or it is not true. I can believe that I am a fire truck but unless I have wheels and a red light on top and a large ladder I am not a fire truck. What I believe has no value in the discussion of whether or not I AM a fire truck. (By the way I am not a Fire Truck..I am a nice yellow Taxi)

Its simple really, either God exists or he does not exist. I think you have chosen to believe that he does based on the "evidence" that binds your reality I.E. The change of your "personality". But consider for a minute (like the atomic example above) what if you are wrong? Would this really destroy your world view? Would this change your personality or would it present you with a new challenge. The challenge of determining what within you had the power to effect the positive change you expierianced.

Free thinking, creativity and flights of fancy often lead to new concepts and thoughts about many things including the nature of reality. But to have validity they need to be proven. If you believe everything then you have a logical problem Example: "I believe that the Easter Bunny hid these eggs" ~~ "I believe my parents hid these eggs" Both cannot be true (Unless the Easter Bunny is in cahoots with your parents) Wouldnt it be better to hide out the night before and spy on the Egg hider (preferably with a video camera).

Asheron